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		<title>By: MandM</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2007/07/when-rationalists-implode.html#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>MandM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 05:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I agree with you that the merit of a person’s position does not depend on whether they have a Ph.D. I also agree that a person can be a rationalist and not rational all the time. No where do I  deny any of this in my post. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;All I contend is that the same is true with Christians. The merits of Bruce Logan’s conclusions does not depend on whether Logan or someone else wrote the arguments he presents for them, and a person can be a Christian without acting in accord with Christianity all the time.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The point I was making is that NZARH seems to affirm this truism when it suits them and deny it when it doesn’t. That is the problem. And it shows a deeper problem with the methods they use. They are not offering a rational critique of Logan or various Christian writers they are finding something negative about Logan’s character, making that public, and hoping that this will lead people to making fallacious jumps towards rejecting Logan’s opinions. That is an irrational method and one unbecoming an organisation that prides itself in following reason.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If any student of mine were to submit an essay arguing in this manner they would fail. I suspect that any philosophy department worth there weight would fail a person who argued this way.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I could say a lot about your proposed definition: You suggest rationalism is synonymous with materialism, atheism and &quot;any other word denoting a lack of belief in religion&quot; the problem is that a person can be an atheist and not reject religion (certain forms of Buddhism) and be an atheist and reject materialism (certain forms of Platonism) so rationalism cannot coherently be a synonym of all these terms. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I note also that Dr Cooke NZARH’s spokesperson has a paper online here http://www.hsnsw.asn.au/a2k/bcooke.html where he mentionstheists who are rationalists. This is difficult if rationalism is a synonym for atheist.  Perhaps you should enlighten NZARH about what rationalism is first. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon</p>
<p>I agree with you that the merit of a person’s position does not depend on whether they have a Ph.D. I also agree that a person can be a rationalist and not rational all the time. No where do I  deny any of this in my post. </p>
<p>All I contend is that the same is true with Christians. The merits of Bruce Logan’s conclusions does not depend on whether Logan or someone else wrote the arguments he presents for them, and a person can be a Christian without acting in accord with Christianity all the time.  </p>
<p>The point I was making is that NZARH seems to affirm this truism when it suits them and deny it when it doesn’t. That is the problem. And it shows a deeper problem with the methods they use. They are not offering a rational critique of Logan or various Christian writers they are finding something negative about Logan’s character, making that public, and hoping that this will lead people to making fallacious jumps towards rejecting Logan’s opinions. That is an irrational method and one unbecoming an organisation that prides itself in following reason.  </p>
<p>If any student of mine were to submit an essay arguing in this manner they would fail. I suspect that any philosophy department worth there weight would fail a person who argued this way.  </p>
<p>I could say a lot about your proposed definition: You suggest rationalism is synonymous with materialism, atheism and &#8220;any other word denoting a lack of belief in religion&#8221; the problem is that a person can be an atheist and not reject religion (certain forms of Buddhism) and be an atheist and reject materialism (certain forms of Platonism) so rationalism cannot coherently be a synonym of all these terms. </p>
<p>I note also that Dr Cooke NZARH’s spokesperson has a paper online here <a href="http://www.hsnsw.asn.au/a2k/bcooke.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.hsnsw.asn.au/a2k/bcooke.html</a> where he mentionstheists who are rationalists. This is difficult if rationalism is a synonym for atheist.  Perhaps you should enlighten NZARH about what rationalism is first. </p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2007/07/when-rationalists-implode.html#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it fascinating to read your lack of punctuation. Do you really have a degree? How did you pass with that bad grammar?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I dinnae ken about nae PhDs, although Maxim&#039;s plagiarism was slightly illegal.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One can be intellectually a rationalist yet not always act rationally. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Since you don&#039;t understand, I&#039;ll enlighten you: rationalist is a synonym for materialist, atheist, and any other word denoting a lack of belief in religion, and a preference to rely on the scientific method. While this method itself is highly-rational, not many people dare to claim that they are rational and sensible in every aspect of their lives. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Even if one were like that, I would not be sure that they would enjoy such a perfect and precise life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it fascinating to read your lack of punctuation. Do you really have a degree? How did you pass with that bad grammar?</p>
<p>I dinnae ken about nae PhDs, although Maxim&#8217;s plagiarism was slightly illegal.</p>
<p>One can be intellectually a rationalist yet not always act rationally. </p>
<p>Since you don&#8217;t understand, I&#8217;ll enlighten you: rationalist is a synonym for materialist, atheist, and any other word denoting a lack of belief in religion, and a preference to rely on the scientific method. While this method itself is highly-rational, not many people dare to claim that they are rational and sensible in every aspect of their lives. </p>
<p>Even if one were like that, I would not be sure that they would enjoy such a perfect and precise life.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2007/07/when-rationalists-implode.html#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 00:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Rationalists have a memory hole. This is hilarious - all that talk of reason and ethics but their VP is a fake. They know he is lying but they do nothing about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Rationalists have a memory hole. This is hilarious &#8211; all that talk of reason and ethics but their VP is a fake. They know he is lying but they do nothing about it.</p>
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		<title>By: MandM</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2007/07/when-rationalists-implode.html#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>MandM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 19:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If your trying to suggest Paul acted alone, why was the article published on NZARH’s website?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David</p>
<p>If your trying to suggest Paul acted alone, why was the article published on NZARH’s website?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2007/07/when-rationalists-implode.html#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,do you speak for the NZARH membersip? If so, maybe you can tell us what they think of Cooke&#039;s deception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,do you speak for the NZARH membersip? If so, maybe you can tell us what they think of Cooke&#8217;s deception.</p>
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		<title>By: MandM</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2007/07/when-rationalists-implode.html#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>MandM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 11:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce Logan does not hold a Phd. My alleged pre-occupation is all in your mind.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The hypocritical double standard is what pisses me off. Logan was wrong to not cite his sources properly, he got a media beat-up for it and rightly so however where is the beat up when Cook passes himself off falsely or when Craig Young passes himself off as holding qualifications he does not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce Logan does not hold a Phd. My alleged pre-occupation is all in your mind.</p>
<p>The hypocritical double standard is what pisses me off. Logan was wrong to not cite his sources properly, he got a media beat-up for it and rightly so however where is the beat up when Cook passes himself off falsely or when Craig Young passes himself off as holding qualifications he does not?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2007/07/when-rationalists-implode.html#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 10:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand the position Paul Litterick took it upon himself to prove plagiarism by a senior member of Maxim as it was not a matter of great concern to members of NZARH. It appears his task was not difficult to prove and, I understood, the Maxim representative (PhD and all)honourably resigned in disgrace. It was of no great pith or moment to NZARH. Perhaps Paul perceived some benefit.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I cannot usefully comment upon your preoccupation with PhD`s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand the position Paul Litterick took it upon himself to prove plagiarism by a senior member of Maxim as it was not a matter of great concern to members of NZARH. It appears his task was not difficult to prove and, I understood, the Maxim representative (PhD and all)honourably resigned in disgrace. It was of no great pith or moment to NZARH. Perhaps Paul perceived some benefit.</p>
<p>I cannot usefully comment upon your preoccupation with PhD`s.</p>
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