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	<title>Comments on: Abortion and Brain Death: A Response to Farrar</title>
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		<title>By: This Wednesday @ Auckland Uni: A Godless Public Square – Do ‘Private’ Christian Beliefs Have a Place in Public Life?</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2008/03/abortion-and-brain-death-a-response-to-farrar.html#comment-155169</link>
		<dc:creator>This Wednesday @ Auckland Uni: A Godless Public Square – Do ‘Private’ Christian Beliefs Have a Place in Public Life?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 11:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Matthew Flannagan PhD Is it unjust for Christians to appeal to their &#8220;private&#8221; theologically based moral [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Auckland Event: Do ‘Private’ Christian Beliefs Have a Place in Public Life? &#124; Thinking Matters</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2008/03/abortion-and-brain-death-a-response-to-farrar.html#comment-154780</link>
		<dc:creator>Auckland Event: Do ‘Private’ Christian Beliefs Have a Place in Public Life? &#124; Thinking Matters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 04:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>midasvuik

For something to be necessary for a  living human being to exist, its absence means that a human being does not exist. If a human being looses some brain function, they would continue to be alive under the brain death function. Similarly if a person had a loss of total brain function, but this is reversible one would not consider them dead. Hence, when one means brain function is necessary for the existence of a living human being, they must mean that the possession of some brain function, or the potential for brain function is necessary. The problem is a fetus does not lack either of these.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>midasvuik</p>
<p>For something to be necessary for a  living human being to exist, its absence means that a human being does not exist. If a human being looses some brain function, they would continue to be alive under the brain death function. Similarly if a person had a loss of total brain function, but this is reversible one would not consider them dead. Hence, when one means brain function is necessary for the existence of a living human being, they must mean that the possession of some brain function, or the potential for brain function is necessary. The problem is a fetus does not lack either of these.</p>
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		<title>By: midasvuik</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2008/03/abortion-and-brain-death-a-response-to-farrar.html#comment-151585</link>
		<dc:creator>midasvuik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 04:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m strongly pro-life, but I have a question. In the car analogy, possession of a motor was a necessary condition for being a functional car. Couldn&#039;t a pro-choice advocate twist it around and insist that having brain function is a necessary (though not sufficient) condition for being alive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m strongly pro-life, but I have a question. In the car analogy, possession of a motor was a necessary condition for being a functional car. Couldn&#8217;t a pro-choice advocate twist it around and insist that having brain function is a necessary (though not sufficient) condition for being alive?</p>
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		<title>By: Contra Mundum: Confessions of an Anti-Choice Fanatic &#171; Theology Geek NZ</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2008/03/abortion-and-brain-death-a-response-to-farrar.html#comment-24847</link>
		<dc:creator>Contra Mundum: Confessions of an Anti-Choice Fanatic &#171; Theology Geek NZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2 Sentience Part 1 Sentience Part 2 Viability Abortion and Child Abuse: Another Response to Farrar Abortion and Brain Death: A Response to Farrar Abortion and Capital Punishment: No Contradiction During, Sherwin &amp; Hutchison on Backstreet [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MandM</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2008/03/abortion-and-brain-death-a-response-to-farrar.html#comment-189</link>
		<dc:creator>MandM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I took it that when David said ECG he meant EEG, this is because EEG  fits the context better. He is talking about brain waves and particularly brain activity at 20 weeks. Not heart beat (which begins much earlier). I used the abbreviation EEG because that is how I have commonly seen it abbreviated in my readings on the issue.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I agree also with your point about an EEG. One other line of criticism I did not mention ( for space issues) is the fact that according to the Harvard criteria of Brain death their must be &lt;i&gt;total&lt;/i&gt; cessation  of brain function. This means the presence of &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; brain function in the brain  to conclusion that the human organism is still a living human being. There is also the problem that in the UK, brain death is measured by brain stem death and so all that is required is brain stem function for the human organism to be declared alive. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I won’t comment on Farrer’s personal motivations. But I do get your point, I get frustrated how certain people seem to think that because they are a policy analysist (or more commonly a journalist) they suddenly become an expert in ethics or theology generally and show nothing but arrogant contempt for views they disagree with on the basis of this alleged expertise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg</p>
<p>I took it that when David said ECG he meant EEG, this is because EEG  fits the context better. He is talking about brain waves and particularly brain activity at 20 weeks. Not heart beat (which begins much earlier). I used the abbreviation EEG because that is how I have commonly seen it abbreviated in my readings on the issue.  </p>
<p>I agree also with your point about an EEG. One other line of criticism I did not mention ( for space issues) is the fact that according to the Harvard criteria of Brain death their must be <i>total</i> cessation  of brain function. This means the presence of <i>any</i> brain function in the brain  to conclusion that the human organism is still a living human being. There is also the problem that in the UK, brain death is measured by brain stem death and so all that is required is brain stem function for the human organism to be declared alive. </p>
<p>I won’t comment on Farrer’s personal motivations. But I do get your point, I get frustrated how certain people seem to think that because they are a policy analysist (or more commonly a journalist) they suddenly become an expert in ethics or theology generally and show nothing but arrogant contempt for views they disagree with on the basis of this alleged expertise.</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2008/03/abortion-and-brain-death-a-response-to-farrar.html#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why EEG instead of a heartbeat ECG? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Is it because &quot;EEG&quot; sounds more sophisticated than &quot;heartbeat&quot; and because electroencephalography is hard to spell? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In that case, which particular wave activities of a fetal EEG indicate &quot;personhood&quot; or &quot;potential tax-payer&quot;? &lt;br/&gt;It isn&#039;t just &quot;on&quot; or &quot;off&quot; as suggested by Farrar!&lt;br/&gt;If the wave signals are &#039;non-standard&#039; then is the tissue mass still a &quot;person&quot;?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As an observation, why is it that working as a &quot;policy analyst&quot; for a political party makes one an instant expert on everything including prenatal neurology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why EEG instead of a heartbeat ECG? </p>
<p>Is it because &#8220;EEG&#8221; sounds more sophisticated than &#8220;heartbeat&#8221; and because electroencephalography is hard to spell? </p>
<p>In that case, which particular wave activities of a fetal EEG indicate &#8220;personhood&#8221; or &#8220;potential tax-payer&#8221;? <br />It isn&#8217;t just &#8220;on&#8221; or &#8220;off&#8221; as suggested by Farrar!<br />If the wave signals are &#8216;non-standard&#8217; then is the tissue mass still a &#8220;person&#8221;?</p>
<p>As an observation, why is it that working as a &#8220;policy analyst&#8221; for a political party makes one an instant expert on everything including prenatal neurology.</p>
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		<title>By: MandM</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2008/03/abortion-and-brain-death-a-response-to-farrar.html#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>MandM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Budda&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;e-mail me off line and I will You arrange a time for you to drop the suit off at Lex&#039;s coffee. in the Union building. I have some friends who will gladly pick it up for me. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;PS. Pilate probably wore a Toga suits did not exist in the first century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Budda</p>
<p>e-mail me off line and I will You arrange a time for you to drop the suit off at Lex&#8217;s coffee. in the Union building. I have some friends who will gladly pick it up for me. </p>
<p>PS. Pilate probably wore a Toga suits did not exist in the first century.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddha</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2008/03/abortion-and-brain-death-a-response-to-farrar.html#comment-186</link>
		<dc:creator>Buddha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This weekend we may need to borrow your suit. We&#039;re filming a Passion Play, and Pilate needs to wear a suit. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m sure you won&#039;t mind, but let us know if you have any objections.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Regards,&lt;br/&gt;Buddha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>This weekend we may need to borrow your suit. We&#8217;re filming a Passion Play, and Pilate needs to wear a suit. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you won&#8217;t mind, but let us know if you have any objections.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />Buddha</p>
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		<title>By: Buddha</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2008/03/abortion-and-brain-death-a-response-to-farrar.html#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>Buddha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I haven&#039;t yet received $20 OR a postage-paid package. What are you playing at, eh?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Regards,&lt;br/&gt;Buddha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t yet received $20 OR a postage-paid package. What are you playing at, eh?</p>
<p>Regards,<br />Buddha</p>
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