Comments on: The Battle of the Bills: A Review of the Craig – Cooke Debate http://www.mandm.org.nz/2008/06/the-battle-of-the-bill%e2%80%99s-a-review-of-the-craig-cooke-debate.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-battle-of-the-bill%25e2%2580%2599s-a-review-of-the-craig-cooke-debate Philosophy of Religion, Ethics, Theology and Jurisprudence Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:03:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Paul http://www.mandm.org.nz/2008/06/the-battle-of-the-bill%e2%80%99s-a-review-of-the-craig-cooke-debate.html#comment-211 Paul Sat, 21 Jun 2008 00:07:00 +0000 http://mandm.churchweb.co.nz/2008/06/the-battle-of-the-bill%e2%80%99s-a-review-of-the-craig-cooke-debate/#comment-211 It would have been nice to meet you, but I am afraid I find Dr Cooke rather disagreeable; besides, I had another engagement.<br/><br/>Geering would have been good, although not an Atheist as such. I am afraid that asking the NZARH for help means getting Cooke. He dominates the Assocation and has done so for years, to the detriment of Atheist thought in NZ. It would have been nice to meet you, but I am afraid I find Dr Cooke rather disagreeable; besides, I had another engagement.

Geering would have been good, although not an Atheist as such. I am afraid that asking the NZARH for help means getting Cooke. He dominates the Assocation and has done so for years, to the detriment of Atheist thought in NZ.

]]> By: MandM http://www.mandm.org.nz/2008/06/the-battle-of-the-bill%e2%80%99s-a-review-of-the-craig-cooke-debate.html#comment-210 MandM Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:07:00 +0000 http://mandm.churchweb.co.nz/2008/06/the-battle-of-the-bill%e2%80%99s-a-review-of-the-craig-cooke-debate/#comment-210 Paul<br/><br/>I suggested Geering, and Greg Dawes to NZARH. Cooke was NZARH's choice. That said Cooke offered the same arguments he has used in other debates ( for example with Ray Comfort and Steve Kumar)and many members of the secular community ( probably not you) did not protest or considering him disappointing then. Moreover I have to admit that many of Cookes arguments are arguments I here skeptics raise at University all the time.<br/><br/>That I agree that Nola would have been a better option. I suspect however Craig would probably have got the better of Nola as well his record of debates and scholarship is pretty impressive. But it would have been a better more thoughful exchange. <br/><br/>Matt Paul

I suggested Geering, and Greg Dawes to NZARH. Cooke was NZARH’s choice. That said Cooke offered the same arguments he has used in other debates ( for example with Ray Comfort and Steve Kumar)and many members of the secular community ( probably not you) did not protest or considering him disappointing then. Moreover I have to admit that many of Cookes arguments are arguments I here skeptics raise at University all the time.

That I agree that Nola would have been a better option. I suspect however Craig would probably have got the better of Nola as well his record of debates and scholarship is pretty impressive. But it would have been a better more thoughful exchange.

Matt

]]> By: MandM http://www.mandm.org.nz/2008/06/the-battle-of-the-bill%e2%80%99s-a-review-of-the-craig-cooke-debate.html#comment-209 MandM Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:58:00 +0000 http://mandm.churchweb.co.nz/2008/06/the-battle-of-the-bill%e2%80%99s-a-review-of-the-craig-cooke-debate/#comment-209 Were you there Paul? It would have been nice to meet you.<br/><br/>We did this a joint exercise with NZRAH so we chose our speaker and they chose theirs.<br/><br/>Others have suggested that Ray Bradley would have been a better choice. Either way its not as if Cooke was useless, he did a good job and he did bring accross some fairly standard atheist points which I found really good to hear as the thing I like about debates is seeing the two positions interact. I find it helps me understand them better.<br/><br/>I agree that is was a shame that he shied away from some of that reaction but as he said when he refused to continue rebutting, he is not into that.<br/><br/>Robert Nola would be good to see though - perhaps next time. Were you there Paul? It would have been nice to meet you.

We did this a joint exercise with NZRAH so we chose our speaker and they chose theirs.

Others have suggested that Ray Bradley would have been a better choice. Either way its not as if Cooke was useless, he did a good job and he did bring accross some fairly standard atheist points which I found really good to hear as the thing I like about debates is seeing the two positions interact. I find it helps me understand them better.

I agree that is was a shame that he shied away from some of that reaction but as he said when he refused to continue rebutting, he is not into that.

Robert Nola would be good to see though – perhaps next time.

]]> By: ChristianJR4 http://www.mandm.org.nz/2008/06/the-battle-of-the-bill%e2%80%99s-a-review-of-the-craig-cooke-debate.html#comment-207 ChristianJR4 Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:43:00 +0000 http://mandm.churchweb.co.nz/2008/06/the-battle-of-the-bill%e2%80%99s-a-review-of-the-craig-cooke-debate/#comment-207 I guess their second debate is over now. Did anyone go to that one? How was it? Did Cooke do better? I guess their second debate is over now. Did anyone go to that one? How was it? Did Cooke do better?

]]> By: Paul http://www.mandm.org.nz/2008/06/the-battle-of-the-bill%e2%80%99s-a-review-of-the-craig-cooke-debate.html#comment-206 Paul Thu, 19 Jun 2008 03:25:00 +0000 http://mandm.churchweb.co.nz/2008/06/the-battle-of-the-bill%e2%80%99s-a-review-of-the-craig-cooke-debate/#comment-206 A very thorough review; it is a shame the debate was not between Craig and Robert Nola - you would have had some better arguments than Cooke's A very thorough review; it is a shame the debate was not between Craig and Robert Nola – you would have had some better arguments than Cooke’s

]]> By: ChristianJR4 http://www.mandm.org.nz/2008/06/the-battle-of-the-bill%e2%80%99s-a-review-of-the-craig-cooke-debate.html#comment-205 ChristianJR4 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:20:00 +0000 http://mandm.churchweb.co.nz/2008/06/the-battle-of-the-bill%e2%80%99s-a-review-of-the-craig-cooke-debate/#comment-205 Best review on the net. Thanks Best review on the net. Thanks

]]> By: MandM http://www.mandm.org.nz/2008/06/the-battle-of-the-bill%e2%80%99s-a-review-of-the-craig-cooke-debate.html#comment-204 MandM Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:15:00 +0000 http://mandm.churchweb.co.nz/2008/06/the-battle-of-the-bill%e2%80%99s-a-review-of-the-craig-cooke-debate/#comment-204 Next to me or Matt? (We were sitting in separate places.)<br/><br/>I take it you enjoyed the event?<br/><br/>Madeleine Next to me or Matt? (We were sitting in separate places.)

I take it you enjoyed the event?

Madeleine

]]> By: fruitfulfaith http://www.mandm.org.nz/2008/06/the-battle-of-the-bill%e2%80%99s-a-review-of-the-craig-cooke-debate.html#comment-203 fruitfulfaith Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:37:00 +0000 http://mandm.churchweb.co.nz/2008/06/the-battle-of-the-bill%e2%80%99s-a-review-of-the-craig-cooke-debate/#comment-203 Hi there,<br/>I think my friend Damian and I were sitting next to you at the debate...<br/>:)<br/>-d- Hi there,
I think my friend Damian and I were sitting next to you at the debate…
:)
-d-

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