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	<title>Comments on: Sunday Study: Does the Bible Teach that a Rape Victim has to Marry her Rapist?</title>
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		<title>By: Ty</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/07/sunday-study-does-the-bible-teach-that-a-rape-victim-has-to-marry-her-rapist.html#comment-150917</link>
		<dc:creator>Ty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 00:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is by far and away the best writing I have seen on this verse, that exact verse is always brought up by atheists in debates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is by far and away the best writing I have seen on this verse, that exact verse is always brought up by atheists in debates.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Chee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Chee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 06:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this analysis very useful.

I thought it could have done without () the &#039;third reason&#039; because it is not clear that, in the circumstances, the skeptical interpretation would result in something &#039;morally heinous&#039;. JP Holding (http://www.tektonics.org/af/ancientmores.html#dt2228) usefully notes:

&quot;First, our subject objects that the victim may not want to marry the rapist. In modern times this would be a sensible objection; but for the ancients, this was a highly viable and indeed merciful solution. The victim would no longer regarded as marriageable and would therefore lose means of interdependent support. The rapist is here being required to provide that support. 

It is quite unlikely in this social context that the victim would refuse this arrangement; indeed, they might well demand such an arrangement. This is not a matter of having the rapist be one&#039;s loving partner, or cohort for further sexual relations. 

Second, it is asked why the father gets money rather than the victim. This is related to another ancient practice, the dowry. A girl who is married becomes part of a new family, which she goes on to support of her own means, and now relies upon for support; at the same time, her former family loses her support and assistance in daily survival, but gains nothing practical in return - hence the dowry. 

The effect of the dowry was to make up for that loss of essential support, and in light of the first item above, payment to the father is quite fair, for it is his family that must now continue to support the girl for the rest of her life.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this analysis very useful.</p>
<p>I thought it could have done without () the &#8216;third reason&#8217; because it is not clear that, in the circumstances, the skeptical interpretation would result in something &#8216;morally heinous&#8217;. JP Holding (<a href="http://www.tektonics.org/af/ancientmores.html#dt2228" rel="nofollow">http://www.tektonics.org/af/ancientmores.html#dt2228</a>) usefully notes:</p>
<p>&#8220;First, our subject objects that the victim may not want to marry the rapist. In modern times this would be a sensible objection; but for the ancients, this was a highly viable and indeed merciful solution. The victim would no longer regarded as marriageable and would therefore lose means of interdependent support. The rapist is here being required to provide that support. </p>
<p>It is quite unlikely in this social context that the victim would refuse this arrangement; indeed, they might well demand such an arrangement. This is not a matter of having the rapist be one&#8217;s loving partner, or cohort for further sexual relations. </p>
<p>Second, it is asked why the father gets money rather than the victim. This is related to another ancient practice, the dowry. A girl who is married becomes part of a new family, which she goes on to support of her own means, and now relies upon for support; at the same time, her former family loses her support and assistance in daily survival, but gains nothing practical in return &#8211; hence the dowry. </p>
<p>The effect of the dowry was to make up for that loss of essential support, and in light of the first item above, payment to the father is quite fair, for it is his family that must now continue to support the girl for the rest of her life.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sanctuary For All Faiths</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sanctuary For All Faiths</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Majority says &quot;Keep the cross!!&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

This passage refers to a seduction and not rape. I do wish that atheists would occasionally do some research and stop acting like sheep from the &#039;shocking OT atrocities&#039; fold....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Majority says &#8220;Keep the cross!!&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>This passage refers to a seduction and not rape. I do wish that atheists would occasionally do some research and stop acting like sheep from the &#8216;shocking OT atrocities&#8217; fold&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Fatpie42 Apologetics</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/07/sunday-study-does-the-bible-teach-that-a-rape-victim-has-to-marry-her-rapist.html#comment-107973</link>
		<dc:creator>Fatpie42 Apologetics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Recommending Me Articles Which Turn Out To Be Apologetics P****s Me Off!...&lt;/strong&gt;

The second (and far more annoying) of the two recommendations came from talk_religion in this entry. The piece of apologetics they link to says &quot;oooh btw the verse in the Bible doesn&#039;t say girls must marry their rapist&quot; and then goes on to say &quot;stu...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Recommending Me Articles Which Turn Out To Be Apologetics P****s Me Off!&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>The second (and far more annoying) of the two recommendations came from talk_religion in this entry. The piece of apologetics they link to says &#8220;oooh btw the verse in the Bible doesn&#8217;t say girls must marry their rapist&#8221; and then goes on to say &#8220;stu&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dreamwidth</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/07/sunday-study-does-the-bible-teach-that-a-rape-victim-has-to-marry-her-rapist.html#comment-107971</link>
		<dc:creator>Dreamwidth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The bible may not condone rape victims marrying their attacker...&lt;/strong&gt;

Does the Bible Teach that a Rape Victim has to Marry her Rapist? Interesting, discuss....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The bible may not condone rape victims marrying their attacker&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Does the Bible Teach that a Rape Victim has to Marry her Rapist? Interesting, discuss&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: talk_religion</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/07/sunday-study-does-the-bible-teach-that-a-rape-victim-has-to-marry-her-rapist.html#comment-107970</link>
		<dc:creator>talk_religion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The old testament may not have a rape victim marry their attacker...&lt;/strong&gt;

I found this very very interesting. discuss?...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The old testament may not have a rape victim marry their attacker&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I found this very very interesting. discuss?&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought this issue was a familiar one. I just found this old Theologyweb Post from 2006 where I had to point out to an internet skeptic (the worst kind) that this verse has nothing to do with rape: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1501589&amp;postcount=25</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought this issue was a familiar one. I just found this old Theologyweb Post from 2006 where I had to point out to an internet skeptic (the worst kind) that this verse has nothing to do with rape: <a href="http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1501589&#038;postcount=25" rel="nofollow">http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1501589&#038;postcount=25</a></p>
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		<title>By: TEKTON Education and Apologetics Ministry</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/07/sunday-study-does-the-bible-teach-that-a-rape-victim-has-to-marry-her-rapist.html#comment-77282</link>
		<dc:creator>TEKTON Education and Apologetics Ministry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 23:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Ancient Mores: Evaluating the Bible On Its Own Terms...&lt;/strong&gt;

Regarding Deut. 22:28-29 --- If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her ... He must marry the girl... There is ... another explanation here that is worth a look......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Ancient Mores: Evaluating the Bible On Its Own Terms&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Regarding Deut. 22:28-29 &#8212; If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her &#8230; He must marry the girl&#8230; There is &#8230; another explanation here that is worth a look&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mclargehuge</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/07/sunday-study-does-the-bible-teach-that-a-rape-victim-has-to-marry-her-rapist.html#comment-37000</link>
		<dc:creator>mclargehuge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very weak, far-fetched re-interpretation of translation...  Anyhow, this begs the question of what else in modern translations is totally incorrect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very weak, far-fetched re-interpretation of translation&#8230;  Anyhow, this begs the question of what else in modern translations is totally incorrect?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/07/sunday-study-does-the-bible-teach-that-a-rape-victim-has-to-marry-her-rapist.html#comment-24037</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 05:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at it another way. A bride in Israel was expected to be a virgin, and her economic value was dependent on it.

If rape or seduction had occurred her economic value would be destroyed, almost guaranteeing that she could not find a husband to care for her.

By forcing her seducer to pay the bride price and take her to wife the law ensured that she would be taken care of. That doesn&#039;t imply that he had any further right to her person, and I&#039;m sure that the father and local men would be quite interested  in ensuring her well-being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at it another way. A bride in Israel was expected to be a virgin, and her economic value was dependent on it.</p>
<p>If rape or seduction had occurred her economic value would be destroyed, almost guaranteeing that she could not find a husband to care for her.</p>
<p>By forcing her seducer to pay the bride price and take her to wife the law ensured that she would be taken care of. That doesn&#8217;t imply that he had any further right to her person, and I&#8217;m sure that the father and local men would be quite interested  in ensuring her well-being.</p>
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