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	<title>Comments on: Guest Post: VUWSA&#8217;s VSM Violations</title>
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		<title>By: Theology Geek NZ &#187; NZUSA Apologise for Fraudulent Pro-Compulsory Emails to MP’s</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/10/guest-post-vuwsas-vsm-violations.html#comment-104633</link>
		<dc:creator>Theology Geek NZ &#187; NZUSA Apologise for Fraudulent Pro-Compulsory Emails to MP’s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 02:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Vote National to Support VSM Bill to Select Committee VSM Bill off to Select Committee Mentionables Guest Post: VUWSA’s VSM Violations Studying at Otago University no Riot  Matt to Debate NZUSA President on VSM on Mike Hosking’s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Vote National to Support VSM Bill to Select Committee VSM Bill off to Select Committee Mentionables Guest Post: VUWSA’s VSM Violations Studying at Otago University no Riot  Matt to Debate NZUSA President on VSM on Mike Hosking’s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Theology Geek NZ &#187; Matt to Debate NZUSA President on VSM on Mike Hosking’s Newstalk ZB Breakfast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theology Geek NZ &#187; Matt to Debate NZUSA President on VSM on Mike Hosking’s Newstalk ZB Breakfast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Vote National to Support VSM Bill to Select Committee VSM Bill off to Select Committee Mentionables Guest Post: VUWSA’s VSM Violations Studying at Otago University no [...]</description>
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		<title>By: bethyada</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/10/guest-post-vuwsas-vsm-violations.html#comment-7027</link>
		<dc:creator>bethyada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;some students decided to show up and demand their association (VUWSA) support &lt;b&gt;compulsory&lt;/b&gt; membership&lt;/i&gt;

I am not certain of the various sides. Does this group of students referenced support compulsory membership as per the post, or should it say voluntary?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>some students decided to show up and demand their association (VUWSA) support <b>compulsory</b> membership</i></p>
<p>I am not certain of the various sides. Does this group of students referenced support compulsory membership as per the post, or should it say voluntary?</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/10/guest-post-vuwsas-vsm-violations.html#comment-7003</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ah Max, but your fees don’t pay for orientation week, they simply subsidise it!&quot;

I am not sure if you are serious or saying this in jest.  Obviously Orientation week (etc.) gets most of its revenue from sales and advertising... but this does not change the fact that the vast majority of the money I give OUSA is used to subsurdise other people&#039;s social lives.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ah Max, but your fees don’t pay for orientation week, they simply subsidise it!&#8221;</p>
<p>I am not sure if you are serious or saying this in jest.  Obviously Orientation week (etc.) gets most of its revenue from sales and advertising&#8230; but this does not change the fact that the vast majority of the money I give OUSA is used to subsurdise other people&#8217;s social lives.<br />
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		<title>By: scrubone</title>
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		<dc:creator>scrubone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah Max, but your fees don&#039;t pay for orientation week, they simply subsidise it!

Bet you didn&#039;t know that eh. The budget that OUSA presents to it&#039;s members is only a fraction of the money that the association works with. It&#039;s just how they spend the money from some investments and student fees.

What looks like the budget figure for orientation etc is actually the subsidy - the full cost is mostly paid for by selling tickets etc.

At least that&#039;s how it used to work a few years ago.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah Max, but your fees don&#8217;t pay for orientation week, they simply subsidise it!</p>
<p>Bet you didn&#8217;t know that eh. The budget that OUSA presents to it&#8217;s members is only a fraction of the money that the association works with. It&#8217;s just how they spend the money from some investments and student fees.</p>
<p>What looks like the budget figure for orientation etc is actually the subsidy &#8211; the full cost is mostly paid for by selling tickets etc.</p>
<p>At least that&#8217;s how it used to work a few years ago.<br />
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently  read a pro compulsory association brochure (at Otago) - and it actually convinced me.... why compulsory association (in its present form) should be eliminated.

Now my money will not be used to find parties (I dont go to)
Or pay for sports teams (I don&#039;t are about)
Or pay for orientation week (which I wish didn&#039;t exist... in Otago this just means there is a risk my car will get smashed by drunken louts...)
Help fund cafes (which are of lower quality and more expensive than the ones just off campus)
Etc etc

Now, unlike a lot of people who will read this, I actually support compulsory unionism - but the only things that Otago boasts about are using my money to pay for their social calendar?   What on earth does that have to do with what a union is supposed to do?

So - if its a choice only between compulsory associations as they stand - or VSM - I guess, in shame, I have to admit the lesser evil is....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently  read a pro compulsory association brochure (at Otago) &#8211; and it actually convinced me&#8230;. why compulsory association (in its present form) should be eliminated.</p>
<p>Now my money will not be used to find parties (I dont go to)<br />
Or pay for sports teams (I don&#8217;t are about)<br />
Or pay for orientation week (which I wish didn&#8217;t exist&#8230; in Otago this just means there is a risk my car will get smashed by drunken louts&#8230;)<br />
Help fund cafes (which are of lower quality and more expensive than the ones just off campus)<br />
Etc etc</p>
<p>Now, unlike a lot of people who will read this, I actually support compulsory unionism &#8211; but the only things that Otago boasts about are using my money to pay for their social calendar?   What on earth does that have to do with what a union is supposed to do?</p>
<p>So &#8211; if its a choice only between compulsory associations as they stand &#8211; or VSM &#8211; I guess, in shame, I have to admit the lesser evil is&#8230;.<br />
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		<title>By: scrubone</title>
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		<dc:creator>scrubone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the situation is worse when you consider that a tiny (932 votes in the general election), extreme left (having to arrange holidays beforehand is an affront to workers rights) party has dominated the executive for some years.

The mere suggestion that the executive represents the student body is patently ridiculous.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the situation is worse when you consider that a tiny (932 votes in the general election), extreme left (having to arrange holidays beforehand is an affront to workers rights) party has dominated the executive for some years.</p>
<p>The mere suggestion that the executive represents the student body is patently ridiculous.<br />
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