Comments on: My Story: Lousy ACC Cover and Thoughts on the Proposed Changes http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/10/my-story-lousy-acc-cover-and-thoughts-on-the-proposed-changes.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=my-story-lousy-acc-cover-and-thoughts-on-the-proposed-changes Philosophy of Religion, Ethics, Theology and Jurisprudence Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:03:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Waterproof Socks http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/10/my-story-lousy-acc-cover-and-thoughts-on-the-proposed-changes.html#comment-110954 Waterproof Socks Wed, 03 Nov 2010 19:46:14 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=1781#comment-110954 Of course accident compensation should be private. Regardless of how unfair something is, that does not give someone the right to take money from other people without their permission. People in accidents will either have insurance, or they can ask for charity. Of course accident compensation should be private. Regardless of how unfair something is, that does not give someone the right to take money from other people without their permission. People in accidents will either have insurance, or they can ask for charity.

]]> By: Oyunlar http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/10/my-story-lousy-acc-cover-and-thoughts-on-the-proposed-changes.html#comment-69782 Oyunlar Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:14:08 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=1781#comment-69782 I think you really need to read the article and not just rant of your head. Write a blog for yourself, don’t rant on someone else’s blog. I think you really need to read the article and not just rant of your head. Write a blog for yourself, don’t rant on someone else’s blog.

]]> By: kathy http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/10/my-story-lousy-acc-cover-and-thoughts-on-the-proposed-changes.html#comment-22866 kathy Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:44:16 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=1781#comment-22866 I have a friend who has appealed three times to the decline discussion from Acc, going back to 1995, It has just gone to Court and he has won his case,But Acc have 28days to appeal that so my fingers are crossed for him. Just not fair you have to be in so much pain. Best wishes Kathy I have a friend who has appealed three times to the decline discussion from Acc, going back to 1995, It has just gone to Court and he has won his case,But Acc have 28days to appeal that so my fingers are crossed for him.
Just not fair you have to be in so much pain.

Best wishes
Kathy

]]> By: RightHealth http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/10/my-story-lousy-acc-cover-and-thoughts-on-the-proposed-changes.html#comment-17535 RightHealth Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:45:57 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=1781#comment-17535 <strong>Mri Images Neck...</strong> Images for Mri Images Neck... Below MRI scan of my neck.... Mri Images Neck…

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]]> By: Reece http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/10/my-story-lousy-acc-cover-and-thoughts-on-the-proposed-changes.html#comment-16409 Reece Sun, 27 Dec 2009 05:23:16 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=1781#comment-16409 That's Nationals plan, to frustrate legitimate claimants, so the every day kiwi gets so frustrated with the ACC system, making privatization look like a good option. It's Nick Smiths plan! I feel sorry for you, but they are not just doing it to you. ACC is ripping a lot of claimants off at the moment! including myself! That’s Nationals plan, to frustrate legitimate claimants, so the every day kiwi gets so frustrated with the ACC system, making privatization look like a good option.

It’s Nick Smiths plan!

I feel sorry for you, but they are not just doing it to you. ACC is ripping a lot of claimants off at the moment!

including myself!

]]> By: helen http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/10/my-story-lousy-acc-cover-and-thoughts-on-the-proposed-changes.html#comment-12982 helen Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:21:56 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=1781#comment-12982 i strained my lower back, had knee surgery from an injury that left me with a knee that gives out and a right arm injury the acc christchurch assessor told acc that he thought i had the capacity to work 35 hors a week and one of the jobs was in day care for children? I worked and lasted for 16 weeks withgreat pain when my arm injury packed up and I coule not move my arm i ended up with a left shoulder injury, and tears to both my wrist while struggling with my back, knee and left arm to which it is dangerous for me to have surgery as i have blood cancer which the assessor knew about at the time of assessment and the risk of infection for me is higher I have never been off work or sick with the leukemia I am happy to name the assessor i can no longer pick up or push on a swing my grandchildren i strained my lower back, had knee surgery from an injury that left me with a knee that gives out and a right arm injury

the acc christchurch assessor told acc that he thought i had the capacity to work 35 hors a week and one of the jobs was in day care for children?

I worked and lasted for 16 weeks withgreat pain when my arm injury packed up and I coule not move my arm

i ended up with a left shoulder injury, and tears to both my wrist while struggling with my back, knee and left arm to which it is dangerous for me to have surgery as i have blood cancer which the assessor knew about at the time of assessment and the risk of infection for me is higher

I have never been off work or sick with the leukemia

I am happy to name the assessor

i can no longer pick up or push on a swing my grandchildren

]]> By: coasta http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/10/my-story-lousy-acc-cover-and-thoughts-on-the-proposed-changes.html#comment-11714 coasta Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:55:53 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=1781#comment-11714 The issues you raise can sadly be joined to an untold number of victims of ACC abuses sustained by innocent Kiwi's since it's inception on April fools day 1974. There is a very interesting read, which can be found with a big G search, when entering " Trapski Report" by Peter j. Trapski C.B.E. who was engaged to report his findings to Government on the interpretations & implementation of law as set out within the original founding document which was the basis upon which ACC was founded. I am just another person such as yourself who has many years experience of ACC failure after sustaining permanent disability through medical misadventure after a work place accident. If would make one additional statement to all the above... It would be... The catch phrase with ACC that has been touted since it's inception is "No Fault Cover" Well... Some of us now know differently ! The issues you raise can sadly be joined to an untold number of victims of ACC abuses sustained by innocent Kiwi’s since it’s inception on April fools day 1974.
There is a very interesting read, which can be found with a big G search, when entering ” Trapski Report” by Peter j. Trapski C.B.E. who was engaged to report his findings to Government on the interpretations & implementation of law as set out within the original founding document which was the basis upon which ACC was founded.
I am just another person such as yourself who has many years experience of ACC failure after sustaining permanent disability through medical misadventure after a work place accident.
If would make one additional statement to all the above… It would be… The catch phrase with ACC that has been touted since it’s inception is “No Fault Cover”
Well… Some of us now know differently !

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]]> By: Mr Gronk http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/10/my-story-lousy-acc-cover-and-thoughts-on-the-proposed-changes.html#comment-8237 Mr Gronk Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:52:55 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=1781#comment-8237 L, "Good point. However, this is a political problem. People want lower taxes and better forms of social insurance at the same time. Ever was it so." Of course. And we witnessed the storm of indignation when the Government dared to say *they* can't have it both ways. I'm a big fan of honesty, and of realistic expectations, which means I'll probably never be in a position to do anything about any of this. "I would be very wary of moving to an American style system of litigation. That just strikes me as funneling money to lawyers who would serve society better by doing something more productive." Living in the US now, I'm not sure it's as much of a problem as we might be led to believe. But I'm open to correction. In any case, there are two questions for me. The first is how to restore an innocent victim to the condition he would have been in, had the accident not occurred (or, at least, as near to that condition as reasonably possible). That should be priority #1. If ACC can do a good job of that, in a financially sustainable way, great. If not, the scheme should be substantially changed, if not indeed wound up; and the people should in any case be made aware of just what ACC can and can't do. The second is how to oblige causers of accidents to take steps towards setting things to rights; and, maybe, teaching them that recklessness with others' safety is not acceptable, and encouraging them to be more careful in future. This is where I would see value in "suing as an option". Not, I'll stress, as the only way to get compensation; that would be done better through insurance (whether ACC or private). Most of the time, I guess it wouldn't be worth suing anyway. I just don't like the thought of people thinking they can be dangerous because "ACC will take care of it". .-= My last blog-post ..<a href="http://mrgronk.blogspot.com/2009/10/on-healthcare-reform-and-acc.html" rel="nofollow">On healthcare reform and ACC</a> =-. L,

“Good point. However, this is a political problem. People want lower taxes and better forms of social insurance at the same time. Ever was it so.”

Of course. And we witnessed the storm of indignation when the Government dared to say *they* can’t have it both ways. I’m a big fan of honesty, and of realistic expectations, which means I’ll probably never be in a position to do anything about any of this.

“I would be very wary of moving to an American style system of litigation. That just strikes me as funneling money to lawyers who would serve society better by doing something more productive.”

Living in the US now, I’m not sure it’s as much of a problem as we might be led to believe. But I’m open to correction. In any case, there are two questions for me.

The first is how to restore an innocent victim to the condition he would have been in, had the accident not occurred (or, at least, as near to that condition as reasonably possible). That should be priority #1. If ACC can do a good job of that, in a financially sustainable way, great. If not, the scheme should be substantially changed, if not indeed wound up; and the people should in any case be made aware of just what ACC can and can’t do.

The second is how to oblige causers of accidents to take steps towards setting things to rights; and, maybe, teaching them that recklessness with others’ safety is not acceptable, and encouraging them to be more careful in future. This is where I would see value in “suing as an option”. Not, I’ll stress, as the only way to get compensation; that would be done better through insurance (whether ACC or private). Most of the time, I guess it wouldn’t be worth suing anyway. I just don’t like the thought of people thinking they can be dangerous because “ACC will take care of it”.
.-= My last blog-post ..On healthcare reform and ACC =-.

]]> By: L http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/10/my-story-lousy-acc-cover-and-thoughts-on-the-proposed-changes.html#comment-8223 L Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:11:48 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=1781#comment-8223 "And I especially don’t like a situation where the Government, through ACC, offers its level of so-called “compensation” and then, through the Injury Prevention etc. Act (or whatever the hang it’s called these days), says to the public, “You shall be content with whatever meagre offerings the State sees fit to give you.” Sorry, you can’t have it both ways. If it’s meant to be welfare, they could at least allow people to lawfully plug the gap through private insurance and civil actions. If it’s meant to be a comprehensive insurance scheme, it should jolly well behave like it." Good point. However, this is a political problem. People want lower taxes and better forms of social insurance at the same time. Ever was it so. I would be very wary of moving to an American style system of litigation. That just strikes me as funneling money to lawyers who would serve society better by doing something more productive. “And I especially don’t like a situation where the Government, through ACC, offers its level of so-called “compensation” and then, through the Injury Prevention etc. Act (or whatever the hang it’s called these days), says to the public, “You shall be content with whatever meagre offerings the State sees fit to give you.” Sorry, you can’t have it both ways. If it’s meant to be welfare, they could at least allow people to lawfully plug the gap through private insurance and civil actions. If it’s meant to be a comprehensive insurance scheme, it should jolly well behave like it.”

Good point. However, this is a political problem. People want lower taxes and better forms of social insurance at the same time. Ever was it so.

I would be very wary of moving to an American style system of litigation. That just strikes me as funneling money to lawyers who would serve society better by doing something more productive.

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