Comments on: Guest Post: The Common Good – An Emergent Phenomenon http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/11/guest-post-the-common-good-an-emergent-phenomenon.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=guest-post-the-common-good-an-emergent-phenomenon Philosophy of Religion, Ethics, Theology and Jurisprudence Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:03:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: nyokodo http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/11/guest-post-the-common-good-an-emergent-phenomenon.html#comment-12934 nyokodo Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:14:02 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=1922#comment-12934 Rhys: is it because people don't have the motivation or because from birth we're taught to hand away responsibility to others and not take it on ourselves? That is one of the material evils of centralising power, people don't exercise their "caring muscles" and so they become apathetic. If suddenly you force people to take personal responsibility for their lives you'll notice a lot more people caring and taking action. .-= My last blog-post ..<a href="http://and-all-these-things.blogspot.com/2009/11/birth-of-science-had-to-be-catholic.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AndAllTheseThings+%28And+All+These+Things%29" rel="nofollow">The Birth of Science had to be Catholic</a> =-. Rhys: is it because people don’t have the motivation or because from birth we’re taught to hand away responsibility to others and not take it on ourselves? That is one of the material evils of centralising power, people don’t exercise their “caring muscles” and so they become apathetic. If suddenly you force people to take personal responsibility for their lives you’ll notice a lot more people caring and taking action.
.-= My last blog-post ..The Birth of Science had to be Catholic =-.

]]> By: Rhys B http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/11/guest-post-the-common-good-an-emergent-phenomenon.html#comment-12651 Rhys B Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:03:31 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=1922#comment-12651 @Nyokodo Gotcha, but I would really like some practical insights [vs theoretical]. My experience[ a lifetime of committees] of people power suggests that 15% have the motivation [agenda?] and therefore the voice and the rest are don't care, don't know,or can't be bothered. This sad lack of motivation of the majority is the default reason we wind up with centralised power, yes? I find it a real puzzle to discover the actual will of the majority, and therefore how to responsibly represent them. .-= My last blog-post ..<a href="http://how-to-preach.org/the-holy-spirit/what-is-the-evidence-of-the-holy-spirit/" rel="nofollow">What is The Evidence of The Holy Spirit</a> =-. @Nyokodo
Gotcha, but I would really like some practical insights [vs theoretical]. My experience[ a lifetime of committees] of people power suggests that 15% have the motivation [agenda?] and therefore the voice and the rest are don’t care, don’t know,or can’t be bothered. This sad lack of motivation of the majority is the default reason we wind up with centralised power, yes?
I find it a real puzzle to discover the actual will of the majority, and therefore how to responsibly represent them.
.-= My last blog-post ..What is The Evidence of The Holy Spirit =-.

]]> By: nyokodo http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/11/guest-post-the-common-good-an-emergent-phenomenon.html#comment-11961 nyokodo Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:04:39 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=1922#comment-11961 David: motivation is definitely an important problem with government power vs individual freedom, however proponents of government power always present government as saintly ever prepared warriors for the common good. My argument reveals that even assuming government were full of Saints who never waivered in their motivation that they still couldn't do a good job because it's impossible. .-= My last blog-post ..<a href="http://and-all-these-things.blogspot.com/2009/11/mps-and-our-money.html" rel="nofollow">MPs and Our Money</a> =-. David: motivation is definitely an important problem with government power vs individual freedom, however proponents of government power always present government as saintly ever prepared warriors for the common good. My argument reveals that even assuming government were full of Saints who never waivered in their motivation that they still couldn’t do a good job because it’s impossible.
.-= My last blog-post ..MPs and Our Money =-.

]]> By: nyokodo http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/11/guest-post-the-common-good-an-emergent-phenomenon.html#comment-11959 nyokodo Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:01:13 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=1922#comment-11959 Rhys: taking away government powers (or the parts which cannot work for the common good no matter who is in charge) takes away the main avenue for those with hidden agendas to manipulate the populace for their own selfish gains. It doesn't become impossible but it becomes the most difficult possible. In the example of centralised power these groups only need affect a fickle government, in the example of decentralised power they need to affect every individual, which is much harder! The common good has the most chances of withstanding the barrage and recovering after it ceases. Rhys: taking away government powers (or the parts which cannot work for the common good no matter who is in charge) takes away the main avenue for those with hidden agendas to manipulate the populace for their own selfish gains. It doesn’t become impossible but it becomes the most difficult possible. In the example of centralised power these groups only need affect a fickle government, in the example of decentralised power they need to affect every individual, which is much harder! The common good has the most chances of withstanding the barrage and recovering after it ceases.

]]> By: David Hillary http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/11/guest-post-the-common-good-an-emergent-phenomenon.html#comment-11523 David Hillary Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:59:11 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=1922#comment-11523 Information is just one aspect, this post ignores motivation .-= My last blog-post ..<a href="http://www.lostsoulblog.com/2009/11/seven-ugly-gaunt-cows-that-could.html" rel="nofollow">Seven Ugly Gaunt Cows That Could Swallow South Canterbury Finance</a> =-. Information is just one aspect, this post ignores motivation
.-= My last blog-post ..Seven Ugly Gaunt Cows That Could Swallow South Canterbury Finance =-.

]]> By: Madeleine http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/11/guest-post-the-common-good-an-emergent-phenomenon.html#comment-11265 Madeleine Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:17:13 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=1922#comment-11265 You might enjoy this new kiwi catholic blog too then Lucia: <a href="http://nyokodo.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">As Yourself Hermitage</a> You might enjoy this new kiwi catholic blog too then Lucia: As Yourself Hermitage

]]> By: Rhys http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/11/guest-post-the-common-good-an-emergent-phenomenon.html#comment-11247 Rhys Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:21:31 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=1922#comment-11247 Hi - You said; "unleash the power of individuals, families and groups". This is a wonderful idea, but I think that reality poses this dilemma: How to get around the fact that the ones who stand up to vocalise that [unleashed] power are always the ones with an axe to grind. In fact it is usually a 'hidden' agenda, and I seriously doubt that the 'common good' would prevail. .-= My last blog-post ..<a href="http://how-to-preach.org/the-holy-spirit/what-is-the-evidence-of-the-holy-spirit/" rel="nofollow">What is The Evidence of The Holy Spirit</a> =-. Hi -

You said; “unleash the power of individuals, families and groups”. This is a wonderful idea, but I think that reality poses this dilemma: How to get around the fact that the ones who stand up to vocalise that [unleashed] power are always the ones with an axe to grind. In fact it is usually a ‘hidden’ agenda, and I seriously doubt that the ‘common good’ would prevail.
.-= My last blog-post ..What is The Evidence of The Holy Spirit =-.

]]> By: Guest Post: The Common Good – An Emergent Phenomenon | MandM Economic Finance news http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/11/guest-post-the-common-good-an-emergent-phenomenon.html#comment-11234 Guest Post: The Common Good – An Emergent Phenomenon | MandM Economic Finance news Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:07:36 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=1922#comment-11234 [...] View original here:  Guest Post: The Common Good – An Emergent Phenomenon | MandM [...] [...] View original here:  Guest Post: The Common Good – An Emergent Phenomenon | MandM [...]

]]> By: Lucia Maria http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/11/guest-post-the-common-good-an-emergent-phenomenon.html#comment-11215 Lucia Maria Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:23:54 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=1922#comment-11215 Hmmm... a new Catholic blog. Seems to have come out of no-where. I'll have to link to it later when the Friday Night Free For All time peters out. Hmmm… a new Catholic blog. Seems to have come out of no-where. I’ll have to link to it later when the Friday Night Free For All time peters out.

]]> By: nyokodo http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/11/guest-post-the-common-good-an-emergent-phenomenon.html#comment-11107 nyokodo Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:12:33 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=1922#comment-11107 I think I can forgive you :) I think I can forgive you :)

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