“Adherence or nonadherence, Hitler’s motivations have no effect on the evidence.”

I think the point is that the evidence had a great deal of effect on Hitler’s motivations.

Creationists may be using Hitler to discredit Darwin, that is true. But the evidence suggests that Darwin’s ideas DID influence Hitler and a lot of other eugenicists … even to this day.

This is not an attack on the validity of Darwin’s ideas. But it is one of MANY disturbing outcomes from them. Biological determinism has proven to be a dangerous concept in practice.

Stating so isn’t all that controversial.

(and how it is related to Darwinism)

Anyway, the really silly people are those attributing fascism or anything similar to Darwin.

Just stupid.
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My point is that it’s a siller red herring to note that the Bible wasn’t on the list. Most books that were ever written were also not on the list!

Perhaps you can get an idea at least of what was banned from The University of Arizona’s site hosts a list of books that were banned in Germany in the 1930′s.

This list includes:

“All writings that ridicule, belittle or besmirch the Christian religion and its institution, faith in God, or other things that are holy to the healthy sentiments of the Volk.”

and

” Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism .”
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Anyway Anon – it is certainly even weaker to say things like “There is little doubt” rather than give evidence.

Now, have a search through Hitler’s Mein Kampf. How many times is Darwin mentioned.? ZERO.

How many times is god, God, Christian, etc., mentioned? Quite a lot.

What lessons are you going to draw from that? Silly isn’t it?

Similarly your eugenics argument. Don’t you know that eugenics is based on artificial selection, animal and plant breeding? Humanity has been doing that for centuries. And Darwin specifically argued against it for humans.
Just shows how silly this argument is.
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Imagine how many books weren’t on it. Shocking – I wonder what’s in all those nasty books that weren’t on the list?

Very dishonest quoting there.

But I guess this is theist epistemology at its worst. Assume something and then cherry pick and quote mine (and distort) until you find something that can support it. That is select and modify the evidence to support the conclusion.

It is this methodology which has led to racism, eugenics, slavery, genocide, etc.

Now I don’t want to sink to that level (after all why should when I have evidence on my side). But, Shawn have a look at this quote from Hitler’s Mein Kampf. Have a play with that. I am sure you can use it to claim Hitler based his ideas on Darin’s:

“Walking about in the garden of Nature, most men have the self-conceit to think that they know everything; yet almost all are blind to one of the outstanding principles that Nature employs in her work. This principle may be called the inner isolation which characterizes each and every living species on this earth. Even a superficial glance is sufficient to show that all the innumerable forms in which the life-urge of Nature manifests itself are subject to a fundamental law–one may call it an iron law of Nature–which compels the various species to keep within the definite limits of their own life-forms when propagating and multiplying their kind.”

Now, I don’t want to draw any conclusions from that. But it is interesting that Darwin’s Origin was on the Nazi’s list of prohibited books – but the bible wasn’t.
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