I sure hope you folks get to hold your discussions without interruption.

They are New Zealand’s denier-gate

and

Peer Review for the Climate “Science” Coalition

Worth consulting.

As well as my own analysis (see New Zealand’s denier-gate) there is now one, applying some statistical analysis to some of the data at the Atavism Peer Review for the Climate “Science” Coalition and Original Post).

Turns our to be a very shoddy piece of work. Doesn’t take much to see through it.

There is so much in this comment, first you talk about AGW deniers, some people however do not deny it or affirm it they simply are agnostic or skeptics that’s not the same thing. Second, after conflating skepticism with denial, you go on to conflate denying a particular scientific theory with denying science, this is an erroneous inference, I know of some scientists who do not accept big bang theory instead they support the minority steady state view, does it follow that these people deny science. Third and finally you equate denying science with denying rationality as those science and rationality are the same thing. This also is mistaken, after all ethics is not science does it follow ethics is irrational, if so then I take it we can dismiss all the arguments about what governments “should” do to stop AGW must be irrational nonsense.

In any case, democracy won’t matter that much, since governments will eventually find themselves having to act, whatever the wishes of the voters. I just hope they do it now, when the cost will only be a few cents more on petrol and some bruised egos.

I see so what you state is that we should suspend democracy now immediately before its to late. We need to get rid of that horrible thing called democracy and simply follow the recommendations of the majority of the scientific elite. Glad we are clear.
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Ken, are you talking about the likes of Gordon Brown?

Maybe you should start living in the real world, L. PriceWaterhouseCoopers analysed the impact of the ETS on NZ businesses and households in the document, ‘Emission Critical 9′.

http://www.pwc.com/nz/en/climate-change/emission-critical.jhtml

They stated that petrol costs will rise between 2.5-14% between now and 2013, and that wholesale electricity prices will rise between 9-37%, based on the future international price of carbon. This impact of course will be in addition to any increases in these prices that might normally occur due to shenanigans by oil producing countries, and from our own electricity companies, which are frequent based on current trends.

Under the worst case scenario, your $300 per month power bill may go up to $411, and your $80 per week petrol bill may go up to $91 by 2013. Is that alright by you, L? Is it alright for the majority of NZers? Get real! Get real Ken as well! The political party that did this will not be in government in the next term, or will have a hell of a lot less seats, and for good reason.