Comments on: Three Questions for NIWA http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/12/three-questions-for-niwa.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=three-questions-for-niwa Philosophy of Religion, Ethics, Theology and Jurisprudence Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:03:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Lynch mob mentality « Open Parachute http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/12/three-questions-for-niwa.html#comment-18267 Lynch mob mentality « Open Parachute Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:38:07 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=2120#comment-18267 [...] confess I now believe in manmade Global Warming; Three Questions for NIWA; Auckland Public Meeting: Climategate, NIWA and the ETS; NIWA, Climategate and Evasive Fallacious [...] [...] confess I now believe in manmade Global Warming; Three Questions for NIWA; Auckland Public Meeting: Climategate, NIWA and the ETS; NIWA, Climategate and Evasive Fallacious [...]

]]> By: Ken http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/12/three-questions-for-niwa.html#comment-16209 Ken Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:58:40 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=2120#comment-16209 Glenn, the denier groups I refer to are the NZ ones and on the NIWA issue it all centres on the false claim of no site effects (including your posts, Glenn). Now Vincent admits the mistake it's about time you and your denier mates followed the only honest path. But I won't hold my breath. .-= My last blog-post ..<a href="http://openparachute.wordpress.com/2009/12/23/testimony-of-non-believers/" rel="nofollow">Testimony of non-believers</a> =-. Glenn, the denier groups I refer to are the NZ ones and on the NIWA issue it all centres on the false claim of no site effects (including your posts, Glenn). Now Vincent admits the mistake it’s about time you and your denier mates followed the only honest path.

But I won’t hold my breath.
.-= My last blog-post ..Testimony of non-believers =-.

]]> By: Glenn http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/12/three-questions-for-niwa.html#comment-16198 Glenn Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:50:09 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=2120#comment-16198 Ken, if sceptics admit mistakes, that yet another thing that alarmists lack: Honesty. The number of red-faced admissions of error that we should have seen from those on the global warming gravy train is considerable. To say that the entire "case" for global warming scepticism disappears because of one admission of one error just reveals how non-serious your comments are. .-= My last blog-post ..<a href="http://www.beretta-online.com/wordpress/2009/theological-liberalism-relevant-or-pathetic/" rel="nofollow">Theological Liberalism: Relevant or Pathetic?</a> =-. Ken, if sceptics admit mistakes, that yet another thing that alarmists lack: Honesty. The number of red-faced admissions of error that we should have seen from those on the global warming gravy train is considerable.

To say that the entire “case” for global warming scepticism disappears because of one admission of one error just reveals how non-serious your comments are.
.-= My last blog-post ..Theological Liberalism: Relevant or Pathetic? =-.

]]> By: Ken http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/12/three-questions-for-niwa.html#comment-16194 Ken Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:54:25 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=2120#comment-16194 Do you guys realise that Vincent Gray (scientist in the Climate Science Coalition responsible for the "research paper") has now admitted he made a mistake. He was responsible for approving the "research paper" which claimed there were no reasons for site effects. he now acknowledges he made a mistake in allowing that through. The whole "case" of these denier groups has disappeared. Truth really will out, won't it? .-= My last blog-post ..<a href="http://openparachute.wordpress.com/2009/12/23/testimony-of-non-believers/" rel="nofollow">Testimony of non-believers</a> =-. Do you guys realise that Vincent Gray (scientist in the Climate Science Coalition responsible for the “research paper”) has now admitted he made a mistake.

He was responsible for approving the “research paper” which claimed there were no reasons for site effects. he now acknowledges he made a mistake in allowing that through.

The whole “case” of these denier groups has disappeared.

Truth really will out, won’t it?
.-= My last blog-post ..Testimony of non-believers =-.

]]> By: Paul http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/12/three-questions-for-niwa.html#comment-15171 Paul Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:16:10 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=2120#comment-15171 Maybe we need to take legal action to get these answers from NIWA, If they are not forthcoming voluntarily? . "the questions should be routine to answer, the fact they are not, and deflecting answers are dismissive is not the scientific approach." Assume fraud!. Maybe Ken who seems so dismissive of the leaked emails can answer the questions put to NIWA. Maybe Ken could inform us as to why Dr Salinger was removed from NIWA?. Here's and email for you Simon http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=992&filename=.txt (DR Salinger was fired so its a genuine email) Salinger shows his true colors "so I guess we all will be walking and cycling very quickly as farmers keep their animals burping out methane...that's my little sermon for this morning!" He despises Farmers and the animals they raise for food!. No doubt he would bankrupt farmers and NZ for the CO2 fraud!. Our NIWA scientists acting like little school bullies, telling there GANG leader Mann how wonderful they are and pulling their weight in the war against any distractions from their pet FRAUD. there you go!. Maybe we need to take legal action to get these answers from NIWA, If they are not forthcoming voluntarily? .

“the questions should be routine to answer, the fact they are not, and deflecting answers are dismissive is not the scientific approach.” Assume fraud!.

Maybe Ken who seems so dismissive of the leaked emails can answer the questions put to NIWA.
Maybe Ken could inform us as to why Dr Salinger was removed from NIWA?.

Here’s and email for you Simon

http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=992&filename=.txt

(DR Salinger was fired so its a genuine email)

Salinger shows his true colors
“so I guess we all will be walking and cycling very quickly as farmers keep their animals burping out methane…that’s my little sermon for this morning!”

He despises Farmers and the animals they raise for food!.
No doubt he would bankrupt farmers and NZ for the CO2 fraud!.

Our NIWA scientists acting like little school bullies, telling there GANG leader Mann how wonderful they are and pulling their weight in the war against any distractions from their pet FRAUD.

there you go!.

]]> By: New Zealand’s denier-gate « Open Parachute http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/12/three-questions-for-niwa.html#comment-15066 New Zealand’s denier-gate « Open Parachute Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:40:46 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=2120#comment-15066 [...] confess I now believe in manmade Global Warming, Three Questions for NIWA, Auckland Public Meeting: Climategate, NIWA and the ETS NIWA, Climategate and Evasive Fallacious [...] [...] confess I now believe in manmade Global Warming, Three Questions for NIWA, Auckland Public Meeting: Climategate, NIWA and the ETS NIWA, Climategate and Evasive Fallacious [...]

]]> By: Bob http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/12/three-questions-for-niwa.html#comment-14979 Bob Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:51:18 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=2120#comment-14979 I have a fourth question: what happened to the Kelburn records for 1927? These would eliminate the need to use the airport "adjustment", because they overlapped the 1927 records for the Thorndon station. Does anyone believe such important records have been lost? I have a fourth question: what happened to the Kelburn records for 1927? These would eliminate the need to use the airport “adjustment”, because they overlapped the 1927 records for the Thorndon station. Does anyone believe such important records have been lost?

]]> By: Simon http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/12/three-questions-for-niwa.html#comment-14961 Simon Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:02:50 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=2120#comment-14961 Madeleine, I still wouldn't mind an answer to my question of what parts of the hacked emails specifically relate at all to temperature adjustments made in NZ? Bloggers need to be held more accountable to statements like this - it's how conspiracy theories spread. Madeleine,

I still wouldn’t mind an answer to my question of what parts of the hacked emails specifically relate at all to temperature adjustments made in NZ?

Bloggers need to be held more accountable to statements like this – it’s how conspiracy theories spread.

]]> By: bethyada http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/12/three-questions-for-niwa.html#comment-14871 bethyada Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:19:22 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=2120#comment-14871 Here are the methods 3. ADJUSTING AN ISOLATED STATION Sometimes it is desired to adjust a station that has no near neighbours, e.g. stations on isolated islands or early records.... several statistical procedures can be used alongside information on station histories to assist in the estimation of the effect of a site change. 3.1. Graphical analysis 3.2. Test using annual values 3.3. Test using subannual differences over symmetric intervals 3.4. Finding the most prominent change points .-= My last blog-post ..<a href="http://bethyada.blogspot.com/2009/12/niwa-offer-as-their-explanation-for.html" rel="nofollow">Adjusting multi-site and single site temperature data</a> =-. Here are the methods

3. ADJUSTING AN ISOLATED STATION
Sometimes it is desired to adjust a station that has no near neighbours, e.g. stations on isolated islands or early records…. several statistical procedures can be used alongside information on station histories to assist in the estimation of the effect of a site change.

3.1. Graphical analysis
3.2. Test using annual values
3.3. Test using subannual differences over symmetric intervals
3.4. Finding the most prominent change points
.-= My last blog-post ..Adjusting multi-site and single site temperature data =-.

]]> By: bethyada http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/12/three-questions-for-niwa.html#comment-14870 bethyada Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:09:46 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=2120#comment-14870 And I can't see that any of the 3 methods for correcting lone site data that are mentioned in the paper <a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/joc.3370130807/abstract" rel="nofollow">"Adjustment of temperature and rainfall measurements for site changes"</a> apply to the method that NIWA have claimed for the Wellington data. <a href="http://bethyada.blogspot.com/2009/12/niwa-offer-as-their-explanation-for.html" rel="nofollow">I am happy to be corrected</a>. And I can’t see that any of the 3 methods for correcting lone site data that are mentioned in the paper “Adjustment of temperature and rainfall measurements for site changes” apply to the method that NIWA have claimed for the Wellington data.

I am happy to be corrected.

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