Comments on: Sunday Study: Joshua and the Genocide of the Canaanites Part II http://www.mandm.org.nz/2010/01/sunday-study-joshua-and-the-genocide-of-the-canaanites-part-ii.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=sunday-study-joshua-and-the-genocide-of-the-canaanites-part-ii Philosophy of Religion, Ethics, Theology and Jurisprudence Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:03:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Why morality cannot be 100% natural: A Response to Professor Coyne | Uncommon Descent http://www.mandm.org.nz/2010/01/sunday-study-joshua-and-the-genocide-of-the-canaanites-part-ii.html#comment-155261 Why morality cannot be 100% natural: A Response to Professor Coyne | Uncommon Descent Fri, 05 Aug 2011 23:59:21 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=2611#comment-155261 [...] about genocide in the Bible? In a recent two-part article (see here and here), Dr. Matt Flanagan argues on textual grounds that blood-curdling Biblical language such as, [...] [...] about genocide in the Bible? In a recent two-part article (see here and here), Dr. Matt Flanagan argues on textual grounds that blood-curdling Biblical language such as, [...]

]]> By: genocide in judges, follow-up http://www.mandm.org.nz/2010/01/sunday-study-joshua-and-the-genocide-of-the-canaanites-part-ii.html#comment-154751 genocide in judges, follow-up Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:30:56 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=2611#comment-154751 [...] you to MandM‘s thought-provoking examination of genocide in the book of Joshua.  Well, part two is now online.  [...] [...] you to MandM‘s thought-provoking examination of genocide in the book of Joshua.  Well, part two is now online.  [...]

]]> By: Jeremy http://www.mandm.org.nz/2010/01/sunday-study-joshua-and-the-genocide-of-the-canaanites-part-ii.html#comment-153427 Jeremy Sun, 05 Jun 2011 19:46:13 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=2611#comment-153427 I think a lot of Christians are inclined to forget that God is holy and just and righteous as well as loving and merciful. Jesus came as Gods gift to us to provide a way to satisfy the requirements of holiness, justice and righteousness. John C is right "Judgment would be a better descriptor. Who is a better judge than God? Who has better understanding than God?" We should be grateful for mercy because otherwise the wages of sin is death. I think a lot of Christians are inclined to forget that God is holy and just and righteous as well as loving and merciful.
Jesus came as Gods gift to us to provide a way to satisfy the requirements of holiness, justice and righteousness.

John C is right “Judgment would be a better descriptor.
Who is a better judge than God? Who has better understanding than God?”

We should be grateful for mercy because otherwise the wages of sin is death.

]]> By: Peter D http://www.mandm.org.nz/2010/01/sunday-study-joshua-and-the-genocide-of-the-canaanites-part-ii.html#comment-153400 Peter D Sat, 04 Jun 2011 20:48:30 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=2611#comment-153400 John "God's ways are not man's ways" surely means God is less inclined to vengeful nationalistic fantasies than humans typically are. That is what Luke 9:51-56 seems to imply. (Textual variants suggest this may have been a bit of a learning curve for some early Christians). John

“God’s ways are not man’s ways” surely means God is less inclined to vengeful nationalistic fantasies than humans typically are.

That is what Luke 9:51-56 seems to imply. (Textual variants suggest this may have been a bit of a learning curve for some early Christians).

]]> By: John C. Pearson http://www.mandm.org.nz/2010/01/sunday-study-joshua-and-the-genocide-of-the-canaanites-part-ii.html#comment-153345 John C. Pearson Fri, 03 Jun 2011 20:09:08 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=2611#comment-153345 I would argue that genocide or mass murder is different from judgment. The number of people being judged (or killed) at a time is irrelevant if they are all guilty-even judgment rendered on man by the hand of another man. What about the Great Flood? Many would call the flood the greatest "genocide" ever. Judgment would be a better descriptor. Who is a better judge than God? Who has better understanding than God? Who thinks from man's perspective it was ok that God let Satan kill all of Job's children as a test? Is it God's duty to make us comfortable with His actions? Is God obligated to explain Himself? Does the pot say to the potter, "Why have you made me this way?" I think we walk tricky ground when we try to bend God to fit into human, politically correct ideas of what is ethical. Genocide implies criminality-contrary to God's nature and therefore not possible. As Christians, It is not our responsibility to try to make God's actions more "tasteful" to others or to attempt to justify God to anyone. The "Good News" is simple and we all come to understand it at the same place-repentance. We drop our pride and acknowledge an almighty God. Some things cannot be explained using human argument methodologies such as resurrection from the dead, renewing of the mind, the dwelling of almighty God through the Holy Spirit in the hearts of mortal men and the peace that passes understanding... God's ways are not man's ways. With God it is obey, then understand... I would argue that genocide or mass murder is different from judgment. The number of people being judged (or killed) at a time is irrelevant if they are all guilty-even judgment rendered on man by the hand of another man.

What about the Great Flood? Many would call the flood the greatest “genocide” ever. Judgment would be a better descriptor.
Who is a better judge than God? Who has better understanding than God? Who thinks from man’s perspective it was ok that God let Satan kill all of Job’s children as a test? Is it God’s duty to make us comfortable with His actions? Is God obligated to explain Himself? Does the pot say to the potter, “Why have you made me this way?”

I think we walk tricky ground when we try to bend God to fit into human, politically correct ideas of what is ethical. Genocide implies criminality-contrary to God’s nature and therefore not possible.

As Christians, It is not our responsibility to try to make God’s actions more “tasteful” to others or to attempt to justify God to anyone. The “Good News” is simple and we all come to understand it at the same place-repentance. We drop our pride and acknowledge an almighty God.

Some things cannot be explained using human argument methodologies such as resurrection from the dead, renewing of the mind, the dwelling of almighty God through the Holy Spirit in the hearts of mortal men and the peace that passes understanding…

God’s ways are not man’s ways.

With God it is obey, then understand…

]]> By: Curious Presbyterian http://www.mandm.org.nz/2010/01/sunday-study-joshua-and-the-genocide-of-the-canaanites-part-ii.html#comment-149059 Curious Presbyterian Wed, 02 Feb 2011 21:27:19 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=2611#comment-149059 <strong>Joshua and the Canaanite Genocide — an embarrassment to Christians?...</strong> No; not embarrassing at all: see Joshua and The Genocide of the Canaanites Part I and Part II.... Joshua and the Canaanite Genocide — an embarrassment to Christians?…

No; not embarrassing at all: see Joshua and The Genocide of the Canaanites Part I and Part II….

]]> By: Moral Difficulties in the Bible: The Concessionary Morality Response | WorldView 101 http://www.mandm.org.nz/2010/01/sunday-study-joshua-and-the-genocide-of-the-canaanites-part-ii.html#comment-148982 Moral Difficulties in the Bible: The Concessionary Morality Response | WorldView 101 Wed, 02 Feb 2011 06:00:34 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=2611#comment-148982 [...] [...] [...] [...]

]]> By: Mike Austin's blog http://www.mandm.org.nz/2010/01/sunday-study-joshua-and-the-genocide-of-the-canaanites-part-ii.html#comment-122617 Mike Austin's blog Mon, 29 Nov 2010 04:02:53 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=2611#comment-122617 <strong>Moral Difficulties in the Bible: The Concessionary Morality Response...</strong> The divine moral concessions present in the perplexing passages at issue here are perhaps a necessary means for the ultimate redemption of human beings, brought back to a state of original justice in communion with one another and God. In this state, h... Moral Difficulties in the Bible: The Concessionary Morality Response…

The divine moral concessions present in the perplexing passages at issue here are perhaps a necessary means for the ultimate redemption of human beings, brought back to a state of original justice in communion with one another and God. In this state, h…

]]> By: Religion at the Margins http://www.mandm.org.nz/2010/01/sunday-study-joshua-and-the-genocide-of-the-canaanites-part-ii.html#comment-121489 Religion at the Margins Fri, 26 Nov 2010 22:43:47 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=2611#comment-121489 <strong>The Joshua Delusion...</strong> Both of these strategies have been taken up by Evangelical biblical scholar Richard Hess as well as by Christian apologists specializing in philosophy of religion such as Nicholas Wolterstorff, Paul Copan, and Matt Flannagan.... The Joshua Delusion…

Both of these strategies have been taken up by Evangelical biblical scholar Richard Hess as well as by Christian apologists specializing in philosophy of religion such as Nicholas Wolterstorff, Paul Copan, and Matt Flannagan….

]]> By: Theology Geek NZ » Slides for “God and the Genocide of the Canaanites” http://www.mandm.org.nz/2010/01/sunday-study-joshua-and-the-genocide-of-the-canaanites-part-ii.html#comment-118729 Theology Geek NZ » Slides for “God and the Genocide of the Canaanites” Sun, 21 Nov 2010 00:23:35 +0000 http://www.mandm.org.nz/?p=2611#comment-118729 [...] POSTS: Georgia on my Mind Joshua and the Genocide of the Canaanites Part I Joshua and the the Genocide of the Canaanites Part II Did God Command Genocide in the Old Testament? A Selection of Matt’s posts on Divine [...] [...] POSTS: Georgia on my Mind Joshua and the Genocide of the Canaanites Part I Joshua and the the Genocide of the Canaanites Part II Did God Command Genocide in the Old Testament? A Selection of Matt’s posts on Divine [...]

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