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		<title>Contra Mundum: Religion and Violence</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[On 1 May 2011 the world received the news that Osama Bin Laden was dead; gunned down in Pakistan by an elite team of US Navy Seals. Even before his death Bin Laden had become a legendary persona. Not only was he a terrorist leader responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocents but he [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">On 1 May 2011 the world received the news that Osama Bin Laden was dead; gunned down in Pakistan by an elite team of US Navy Seals. Even before his death Bin Laden had become a legendary persona. Not only was he a terrorist leader responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocents but he functioned as a contemporary paradigm of the fanatical religious nutter who promotes hatred, violence and intolerance &#8211; much like the symbol Adolf Hitler was to earlier generations.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-8081" href="http://www.mandm.org.nz/2011/02/fallacy-friday-tu-quoque-but-you-did-it-too.html/bosbin"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-8081" style="margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 7px; margin-top: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px;" title="Osama Bin Laden" src="http://www.mandm.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/bosbin-228x300.jpg" alt="Osama Bin Laden" width="127" height="168" /></a>The 9/11 terrorist attacks reinvigorated a fear that has lain dormant in the western psyche since at least the 17<sup>th</sup> century. This fear is encapsulated in an objection to belief in God known as the argument from historical atrocities. Many critics of religion refer to the religious wars that tore Europe apart during the 17<sup>th</sup> century, citing events such as the Inquisition and Crusades &#8212; although lately the Taliban have been the image of choice.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Recently, whilst debating the viability of religious morality at the University of Notre Dame, best-selling author Sam Harris repeatedly cited the Taliban as a representative example of theological ethics. One need not read far into the literature of contemporary free thinkers to uncover this line of argument. Consider Jim Peron of the <em>Institute for Liberal Values</em>:</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">“To admit religion into the “public arena” is “dangerous.” And long term the results will be just as bloody and violent as they were in the past. … To put religion into that sector is to ignore centuries of history and return to the conflict-ridden, bloody world of the Dark Ages.”</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">Peron went on to refer to common motifs of the Inquisition: “crazy Puritans”, Servetus’ execution in Calvin’s Geneva and so on. Similar themes abound in the writings of Dawkins, Harris and Hitchens. The citation of historical cases is not in itself an argument so it is hard to discern the exact objection here. It appears to consist of two claims. Firstly, that some people who believe in God have committed atrocities against other people. Secondly, that if people who hold a belief commit atrocities then that belief is either false or should be avoided by liberal-minded people.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Historians Ronald Numbers and David Lindberg point to recent research having discredited the portrayal of the early Middle Ages as “the Dark Ages” brought about by Christianity. Similarly, research into Inquisition archives reveal that while such tribunals did exist, many popular beliefs are based on embellishment, exaggeration and propaganda rather than a sober assessment of facts. The picture of the Inquisition that emerges from these studies is significantly more benign than has popularly been thought. Similarly, historian Leland Ryken’s studies on the Puritans have questioned many of the popular stereotypes Peron referred to.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Take Peron’s allusion to the execution of Servetus. In his study on the life of Calvin, Oxford Theologian Alister McGrath argues <span id="more-9182"></span>that Calvin’s role in Servetus’ execution has been greatly exaggerated and contends that such heresy prosecutions were not typical in Geneva contrary to the image popularly peddled by rationalists. McGrath has also relentlessly exposed several cases of outright distortion and myth perpetuated about the so-called “dictator” of Geneva. This is not to say that atrocities did not occur, nor that such atrocities should be justified, but it is important to be accurate and fair. The evidence suggests that much of what people believe today about religious history is based on discredited 19<sup>th</sup> century rationalist propaganda stereotypes and consequent cultural prejudice.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Perhaps more interesting is the second claim. While this claim is seldom made explicit, something like it is necessary if the existence of atrocities entails that belief in God is false or that religious belief and practice should be avoided.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Philosopher Glenn Peoples provides several counter examples to this claim. The belief that the atom could be split is one that has been used to kill thousands of people yet that belief is true and it is an important scientific discovery. The belief that theft is wrong has, in the past, led to the lynching of thieves. Does this show that theft is not really wrong and we should not oppose it?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Other examples illustrate the absurdity of this claim. The “reign of terror” during the French Revolution was justified by appeals to liberty, equality, fraternity and the rights of humankind; one victim of the guillotine famously remarked, “Oh, Liberty, what crimes are committed in your name”. Millions have been slaughtered by appeals to the greater good of society or the liberation of the oppressed classes and it is well known that people have defended wars on the basis of justice and social peace. Should we therefore avoid liberty, equality, opposing oppression, seeking justice and social peace?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">A third problem with the “argument from atrocities” is that an analogous argument can be used against atheism and secular philosophies. Millions have lost their lives in wars fought in the name of secular ideologies such as Communism &#8212; wars far more brutal and total than those that occurred during the Middle Ages. Millions have been killed in socialist states in show-trials every bit as hysterical and rigged as any witch trials were. And, as some medievalists have noted, with irony, the Committee for Public Safety in Enlightenment France was, in numerous respects, much worse than the Inquisition. If the fact that Christians engaged in historical atrocities entails belief in God is false or that religious belief is to be avoided then parity of reasoning entails atheism is false and that secular belief systems should be avoided.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">At this point the sceptic will start to make qualifications. One rejoinder is that whilst atheists like Pol Pot, Mao and Stalin committed atrocities, these were not done in the name of atheism or due to their atheist beliefs. Religious atrocities, however, were committed <em>because</em> of religious beliefs.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">However, such rejoinders fail. As Peoples explained, Stalin and Pol Pot persecuted religious groups precisely because they were atheists and saw religion as socially pernicious &#8212; the very thing people who press the historical atrocities argument are trying to contend. Richard Wurmbrand, a victim of communist persecution in Romania, stated that “communist torturers often said there is no God, no hereafter, no life after death, we can do what we wish.” The fact that atheism was not the motivation for these actions seems to be news to those who actually witnessed them.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">So, many atrocities were committed on the basis of atheism. The purported rejoinder also fails due to the fact that many atrocities cited by religious critics were not committed for religious reasons but for secular ones. Christopher Eberle and Terence Cuneo noted in the Stanford Encyclopaedia of Philosophy that the religious wars of the 17th Century were caused not by the appeal to religious reasons, <em>per se</em>, but rather by the violation of religious freedom. They noted further that even in the 17th Century religious persecution was typically justified on secular grounds,</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">“When such rights have been violated, the justifications offered, even by religious believers, appeal to alleged requirements for social order, such as the need for uniformity of belief on basic normative issues. One theological apologist for religious repression, for example, writes this: ‘The king punishes heretics as enemies, as extremely wicked rebels, who endanger the peace of the kingdom, which cannot be maintained without the unity of the faith. That is why they are burnt in Spain.”</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">Medievalist Régine Pernoud argued that heretics were burnt or tortured during the 12<sup>th</sup> Century due to the revival of Roman Law, which allowed torture to gain a confession and burning as punishment for treason. The torture and burning of heretics had as much to do with ancient Roman legal customs as it did with biblical exegesis. In fact, the Inquisition used torture more sparingly, passed death sentences more rarely and had more humane prisons than most secular courts of the same time. This suggests inquisitors actually moderated already accepted harsh Roman practices. Now, this does not justify such practices but it does question the thesis that religious reasons were the driving motivation for them or the thesis that they would not have occurred if a more secular context had prevailed. In a similar vein the Crusades were originally called to protect pilgrims from attack, to recover annexed territory and to protect the eastern Roman Empire from invasion &#8212; all secular reasons that could have been utilised to justify war quite independently of any religious rationale. Was World War II not fought to recover annexed territory, protect innocent people and protect Europe from invasion? How many millions were killed for that?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">When these qualifications fail it is contended that not all atheists support these practices. This is true. It is also true that not all religious people support the practices cited by these sceptics. In fact, historically, some of the most important criticisms of religious persecution and defences of religious tolerance, such as those proposed by John Locke and Pierre Bayle, appealed to explicitly theological grounds.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Yale Philosophy Professor, Nicholas Wolterstorff, notes that “many of the social movements in the modern world that have moved societies in the direction of liberal democracy have been deeply and explicitly religious in their orientation.” Wolterstorff cites examples such as the abolitionist, civil rights and other resistance movements as examples.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">So the appeal to historical atrocities, on examination, seems often based on a fairly selective analysis of the evidence. The Bin Ladens and Hitlers of this world are clearly dangerous but so too are the Stalins, Pol Pots and secular groups like the Tamil Tigers who pioneered the practice of suicide bombing before Al-Qaeda came on the scene. People fight and kill for a number of reasons; sometimes these are religious, more often they are secular &#8211; sometimes both. When people care deeply about something, sometimes they will kill to protect it. Religion is not an exception.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Bin Laden is dead; however, as commentators incessantly tell us, the legacy of religious terror he represents will continue. What also will continue are the prejudices of some secular groups who use his example to stereotype and smear all religions as dangerous and fanatical. It is far easier to kill a terrorist than it is to kill irrational prejudice but at least one can expose it for the shallow line of thought that it is.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><em>I write a monthly column for </em><a href="http://www.investigatemagazine.com/newshop/enter.html">Investigate Magazine</a><em> entitled “Contra Mundum.” This blog post was published in the June 2011 issue and is reproduced here with permission. Contra Mundum is Latin for ‘against the world;’ the phrase is usually attributed to Athanasius who was exiled for defending Christian orthodoxy.</em></p>
<p>Letters to the editor should be sent to:<br />
editorial@investigatemagazine.DELETE.com</p>
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		<title>Jim Peron and Unbound (Not Again)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Madeleine</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We got an email earlier today alerting us to the return of Jim Peron to prominence. This was not the first email expressing this concern that we have had in the past few months, in fact the number we have received is surprisingly high given we thought the issue had gone away back in 2005 [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We got an email earlier today alerting us to the return of <a href="http://jimperonunbound.bravehost.com/">Jim Peron</a> to prominence. This was not the first email expressing this concern that we have had in the past few months, in fact the number we have received is surprisingly high given we thought the issue had gone away back in 2005 when <a href="http://jimperonunbound.bravehost.com/">Jim Peron</a> had his work permit revoked on the grounds of bad character due to his paedophilia apologist days back in San Francisco.</p>
<p>What made this email different was that in addition to the claims that he is back in favour and increasing in influence was that it pointed to a <a href="http://jimperonunbound.bravehost.com/">new website </a>with our Locke Foundation Report on it and a copy of Unbound (hosted overseas). It invited people to make sure its existence got out there in cyberland.</p>
<p>We were not sure that we wanted to go there again. We certainly do not want to re-litigate this issue it was stressful enough the first time round but we see the point.</p>
<p>Since leaving New Zealand, <a href="http://jimperonunbound.bravehost.com/">Jim Peron</a> continues to be <a href="http://reason.com/archives/2007/08/08/bridge-politics">published</a>, has had invitations to <a href="http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Front-Page.htm?EdNo=225AZ-Speakers-2004.htm">speak</a> and <a href="http://www.isil.org/resources/fnn/2005fall/koln-conference.html">host conferences</a>, is <a href="http://www.isil.org/resources/fnn/2007sept/laissez-faire-books.html">hailed as an authority</a> and with the demise of the evidence from the world wide web that we unearthed, along with others, some are <a href="http://www.objectivistliving.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5250">claiming he was framed</a>, that we, along with Lindsay Perigo, made made the whole thing up because we hate gays. These latter claims are ludicrous &#8211; not only is our alledged co-conspiritor gay himself but so was one of the researchers (our flatmate) who worked with us, to write the report! A huge deal was made of Peron&#8217;s sexual orientation and our faith at the time and to this day. The reality is that these things have no bearing on the issue at hand.</p>
<p>The fact is, that what Jim Peron did was disturbing. I think <a href="http://rebirthofreason.com/Forum/NewsDiscussions/1935.shtml#1">Joseph Rowlands</a> sums it up well:</p>
<blockquote><p>A few years ago, a prominent libertarian (<a href="http://jimperonunbound.bravehost.com/">Jim Peron</a>) in Objectivist circles was <a href="http://rebirthofreason.com/Forum/GeneralForum/0543.shtml">outed as a supporter of pedophilia</a>. Some investigators in New Zealand found copies of a magazine he published on the topic, including an article in his own name.</p>
<p>The responses at the time were very curious. I would have expected libertarians and Objectivists to try to distance themselves from his viewpoint, or to condemn that ideas he had promoted, or to distance themselves from him. Instead, their was an outpouring of sympathy for him. He has a right to free speech, they said. This is just a witch-hunt, they said. He claims no knowledge of any of it, despite the article penned in his name, they said. That was decades ago, they offered. Age of consent laws are arbitrary(!) they began to argue&#8230;</p>
<p>On and on, people who had already supported him found ways to dismiss this significant information about him. They determined that there was no significant loss with having libertarian or Objectivist ideas falsely connected to child-rape.</p>
<p>It was shocking to me at the time for a few reasons. One, because the hatred and disgust that most people felt was for those who brought out the facts. Two, because while the issue should have been about someone promoting pedophilia, people tried to ignore that and hide behind the freedom of speech principle. And three, because when these didn&#8217;t seem enough, people actually started making arguments to try to make it seem more respectable, starting with age of consent laws being arbitrary.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[An acquaintance of mine sent me a copy of this article at Gaynz.com by Craig Young. Craig and I have a kind of knack at studying the very same topics at the same time. He wrote a PhD thesis criticising conservative Christian views on abortion around the same time I started writing my PhD thesis [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An acquaintance of mine sent me a copy of <a href="http://www.gaynz.com/articles/publish/31/article_5081.php">this article</a> at Gaynz.com by <a href="https://groups.google.com/group/nz.soc.queer/msg/eaf5cefc853dd42d?hl=en&amp;">Craig Young</a>. Craig and I have a kind of knack at studying the very same topics at the same time. He wrote a PhD thesis criticising conservative Christian views on abortion around the same time I started writing my PhD thesis defending such views. With this article the timing is somewhat uncanny. One of the main burdens of Craig’s article is to argue for the conclusion that it is not inconsistent to both oppose capital punishment and support abortion &#8220;rights&#8221;. Craig bases this conclusion on the contention that fetuses are not human because they lack sentience. Intriguingly I have just submitted an article for publication rebutting the claim that fetuses are not human until sentient and I have just had word that another article, where I discuss the relationship between feticide and capital punishment, has been accepted for publication. Since Craig has put his thoughts on these issues before the public, I will respond to them here.</p>
<p>Before getting to the nitty gritty is worth noting the deceptive slips in Craig’s post. Craig writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>Amnesty International opposes torture, harassment organised homophobic violence and the death penalty when performed on the basis of homosexuality. Saudi Arabia demonstrates the complexity of the issue, with formal sharia law but co-existing cruising grounds and private indulgence of what is legally forbidden. However, Nigeria, Sudan, Iran, and Iraq&#8217;s Mahdi Army all penalise male homosexuality, while Iran also mandates capital punishment for persistent lesbianism, Hezbollah and Hamas also believe that their version of fundamentalist Islamism, whether Shia or Sunni, has no place for homosexuality. They base this on their arguable interpretation of the Qu&#8217;ran and particular traditions of interpretation of attributed sayings of the Prophet Muhammed, although the Hanafi school of interpretation is more liberal than others…. </p>
<p>Surely no-one could object to the above, especially given that the Christian Heritage Party, which alone supported reintroduction of the death penalty in New Zealand, died after Capillgate in 2005. </p>
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<p>Now a couple of things to note here. Craig states that Amnesty opposes capital punishment when &#8220;performed on the basis of homosexuality.&#8221; He then insinuates that only the Christian Heritage Party opposed Amnesty&#8217;s stance <em><strong>because</strong></em> it supported the reintroduction of capital punishment.</p>
<p>This is deceptive. As Craig knows, Amnesty does <em><strong>not </strong></em>just oppose capital punishment for homosexuality, it opposes it for <em><strong>any</strong></em> crime including murder. It is <em><strong>this</strong></em> aspect of Amnesty that the Christian Heritage Party opposed. As Craig knows, the Christian Heritage Party <em><strong>did not</strong></em> support the death penalty for homosexuality, it supported it <em><strong>only</strong></em> for pre-meditated murder when there were multiple eyewitnesses. Craig is trying to conflate support for Capital Punishment <em><strong>per se</strong></em> with support for executing Gays.</p>
<p>Craig also seems to think that because some countries execute homosexuals it follows that people should support the abolition of the death penalty for any crime. This is a very weak argument. After all,many countries imprison homosexuals so an analogous line of argument would suggest that Craig should oppose imprisonment for any crime yet strangely he advocates imprisonment for murder later on in his article. This demonstrates Craig is quite capable of drawing distinctions between the morality of a practice and the morality of a specific application of the practice.</p>
<p>It is also a weak argument to suggest that because an organisation like Amnesty supports some worthy causes, such as opposition to torture, it follows it should not be subject to criticism for other causes it supports, such as abortion rights. If abortion is homicide then for every person saved by Amnesty thousands, if not millions, are killed with its tacit support.</p>
<p>However, what I really want to comment on is Craig’s argument for the consistency of a pro-abortion stance with an anti-death penalty stance. Craig writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>However, the Christian Right has piped up with references to embryos and fetuses. There&#8217;s a vast difference between pre-sentient potential humans and actual, flesh and blood biographical human subjects, not that that troubled Right to Life New Zealand throughout the nineties when it had Graham Capill as one of its patrons, or when Voice for Life Vice-Presidnet Annetta Moran stood on the same Christian Coalition party list as Capill in 1996. And as Amnesty International is a pluralist organisation, why should it support an essentially religious campaign against women&#8217;s reproductive freedom, in any case?</p></blockquote>
<p>Now several things are worth noting here; Craig’s key claim is that, unlike capital punishment, abortion does not kill an actual human being. This is because fetuses (up till around 28 weeks) are not sentient and hence not &#8220;biographical subjects.&#8221; There is a serious problem with this argument. It presupposes that a being must be a &#8220;biographical subject&#8221; to be a human being.</p>
<p>Now while it is true that prior to sentience fetuses are not such subjects, neither are they such subjects for some time <strong><em>after</em></strong> sentience. In fact, for some time after birth infants are not &#8220;biographical subjects&#8221; either. This point was vigorously demonstrated by Michael Tooley in his monograph <em>Abortion and Infanticide</em>. Sentience is a necessary condition for being a &#8220;biographical subject&#8221; but it is not a sufficient condition.</p>
<p>To be a biographical subject one needs more than just sentience. One needs to have a concept of an enduring self and to have this, a certain level of cognitive development is necessary. As Tooley demonstrates, the requisite development does not take place until <em>after</em> birth. Hence, if Craig were consistent he would support not just abortion but also infanticide. Craig can maintain a consistent stance on the ethics of killing only if he maintains that serial killers have a right to life and newborn infants do not.</p>
<p>Craig’s appeal to sentience is similarly problematic. In <em>A Defense of Abortion,</em> David Boonin notes that those who attempt to ground humanity in the psychological development of an organism face a dilemma, &#8220;Any appeal to what a brain can do at various stages of development would seem to have to appeal to what the brain can already do. Or to what the brain has the potential to do in the future.&#8221;</p>
<p>Either option leads to problems for a defender of the permissibility of feticide who does not also want to endorse infanticide. This is because &#8220;by any plausible measure dogs, and cats, cows and pigs, chickens and ducks or more intellectually developed than a new born infant.&#8221; Suppose, then, one takes the first horn of the dilemma and appeals to what the brain can already do. However, unless one wishes to affirm that cats, dogs and chickens are human beings, &#8220;appeals to what the brain can already do&#8221; will &#8220;be unable to account for the presumed wrongness of killing toddlers or infants.&#8221;</p>
<p>Suppose then, one takes up the second horn of the dilemma and appeals to &#8220;what the brain has the potential to do in the future&#8221;. This will entail that feticide is homicide. &#8220;If [such an account] allows appeals to what the brain has the potential to do in the future, then it will have to include fetuses as soon as their brains begin to emerge, during the first few weeks of gestation.&#8221; Again, Craig is forced to either grant the humanity of a fetus or deny the humanity of an infant.</p>
<p>Finally it is worth noting how Craig attempts to pass of his contradictory stance with some really silly inferences. He dismisses support for Capital Punishment on the grounds that the Christian Heritage Party &#8220;died after Capillgate.&#8221; Similarly, in the citation above he notes that some anti-abortion groups were either associated with Capill or had people associated with Capill in them.</p>
<p>One wonders what this has to do with anything?</p>
<p>Both groups had the associations in question before it was known Capill was a criminal. There is no evidence they supported his actions or that they were complicit in his crimes. Given these facts, how is Capill remotely relevant? The only purpose reference to him serves is to encourage people to jump to unwarranted conclusions that certain people support abusing children when they do not.</p>
<p>However, let us suppose, contrary to fact, that these people had been complicit in Capill’s crimes. This would still tell us nothing about the permissibility of capital punishment or abortion. It would merely tell us that some people who oppose abortion are criminals. In the absence of a compelling reason for thinking that no just policy is ever supported by criminals and remember Criminals tend to vote left of centre, the correct response to Craig’s assertion is to ask &#8220;and?&#8221;</p>
<p>Let me illustrate the problems with Craig’s inferences by turning the tables here. Craig writes for Gaynz.com, a few years ago it was discovered that <a href="http://www.qna.net.nz/New_Zealand/People/Jim_Peron/">one of Gaynz’s regular writers</a>, <a href="http://jimperonunbound.bravehost.com/">Jim Peron</a>, had been an apologist for the views of NAMBLA. <a href="http://jimperonunbound.bravehost.com/">Jim Peron</a> had published paedophile erotica written by convicted child molesters, written articles agressively labelling critics of &#8220;man boy love&#8221; as &#8220;hysterics&#8221; for viewing paedophilia as abuse, sold NAMBLA material and had NAMBLA meetings in his store. <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10334487">His visa to NZ was denied on the basis of these facts about his character</a>.</p>
<p>Now, would it be fair of me to insinuate from <a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2005/03/the_jim_peron_allegations.html">this association</a> that Craig is a NAMBLA supporter or that everyone who agrees with him on abortion and capital punishment is morally suspect because Craig is associated with a group that was once associated with this man <a href="http://jimperonunbound.bravehost.com/">Jim Peron</a>? Could I logically dismiss Craig’s position on abortion and capital punishment merely by pointing this fact out? Of course not!</p>
<p>What I need to do and have done above, is provide an argument against these positions. Similarly, if Craig is to provide a rebuttal of the stances I and others have taken on capital punishment and abortion he needs to provide arguments against those stances but as usual, Craig and the team at Gaynz have none.</p>
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