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		<title>Randal Rauser’s Mistake: A Defense of Calvin’s Doctrine of Election</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks go to Matthew Flannagan for pointing me in the direction of this response to the problem. A while back Professor Randal Rauser issued a blog entitled “Calvinism and the Arbitrary Camp Director” in which he criticised the Calvinist understanding of election. For those of you who are unaware of the Calvinistic understanding of election, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;"><em><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-10125" style="margin-left: 7px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 6px; margin-bottom: 0px; border-width: 1px; border-color: black; border-style: solid;" title="John Calvin" src="http://www.mandm.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/cache_2409292491.png" alt="John Calvin" width="125" height="142" />Thanks go to Matthew Flannagan for pointing me in the direction of this response to the problem.</em></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">A while back Professor Randal Rauser issued a blog entitled “<a title="Calvinism and the Arbitrary Camp Director" href="http://randalrauser.com/2011/08/calvinism-and-the-arbitrary-camp-director/" target="_blank">Calvinism and the Arbitrary Camp Director</a>” in which he criticised the Calvinist understanding of election.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">For those of you who are unaware of the Calvinistic understanding of election, very roughly, it’s the idea is that God elected some for salvation and did not elect others for salvation. Now obviously there’s FAR more to Calvin’s doctrine of election than merely the claim that some are elected and others are not. But that at least, is the centre point of Rauser&#8217;s criticism, and more particularly, it’s that element of Calvin’s doctrine that I seek to defend in this article.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Before we begin, it’s interesting to note that barely three months ago I was a staunch Arminian when it came to soteriology. I reacted against Calvin’s doctrine with the greatest of revulsion. How could it possibly be, I thought, that God could be “good” and yet actively choose some for salvation while leaving others to die?! It made no sense to me! In-fact, I remember going to scripture one Sunday morning actively seeking to find that knock down scriptural blow against the Reformed understanding of election. Interestingly, the first scripture I read was the parable of the wheat and the tares Matthew 13:24-29/13:36-43. While I read it, it struck me that this challenged my Arminian understanding of Salvation. But I didn’t want to believe it, so I left it for a week hoping that there would be some other explanation. But none was forthcoming. Very quickly I found myself speaking in terms that a week earlier I would never have been revolted to hear myself say. I was not yet a practicing Calvinist. I was what you might call “soteriologically agnostic”.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Now the reason I say this is not because I hope to establish myself as any authority on the matter. To the contrary, Rauser, being a Professor of Historical Theology at Taylor Seminary is far more of an authority on the matter than I can hope to be at this stage of my life. So it’s with much fear and trepidation that I dare post this article contradicting Rauser’s arguments. So why do I give my testimony of how I came to Calvinism? Well I myself am a little unsure. Nevertheless, I suspect that the main reason I give such testimony is that I find it and irony worth sharing that I am writing an article that barely three months ago I would never have even dreamed of writing. If I was going to write anything, it would have been about how Calvinism completely destroys any sensible understanding of God&#8217;s justice and love.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">But now let’s get down to business. Precisely what is Rauser’s objection? More than anything else, it appears to be a moral objection. The problem, Rauser urges, is that it makes God’s choice about who save entirely arbitrary. Why, he asks (referring to one of his dialectic opponents apparently named Tom) should God bring glory to him (Tom) and not another say Saddam Hussein? This picture, Rauser asserts, completely undermines the idea that God is loving. In order help us to see this point. Rauser entreats us to consider the following illustrative analogy:</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-10126" style="margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 7px; margin-top: 6px; margin-bottom: 0px; border-width: 1px; border-color: black; border-style: solid;" title="Randal Rauser" src="http://www.mandm.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Rauser.jpg" alt="Randal Rauser" width="105" height="140" />“Imagine that there is a camp for troubled youth. The camp director has a rather unorthodox method of dealing with the campers. Some of them are beaten severely with whips in a wholly punitive or retributive (i.e. not restorative) manner while others are chosen by the director to receive care, love and nurture in a way that restores them.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">You are contemplating sending your child to the camp but you want your child to be lovingly restored, not viciously beaten, even if the beatings are just. So you enquire: what is it that makes the director decide to beat the children rather than nurture them? Is it the nature of their crimes? Their race? Gender? What?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The answer comes back. There is <span id="more-10097"></span>absolutely nothing that differentiates the two groups. The bottom line is that for some inexplicable reason the director arbitrarily selects some children to be beaten and others to be nurtured.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Now imagine that somebody came up to you with a positive testimonial. “The director loved our child! He nurtured her. She’s much better now. He is very loving to those he chooses.” Wouldn’t you want to scream back “But what about the children he opts to beat? How can you call that loving? How can you focus only on those he nurtures and completely ignore those he beats? Doesn’t it bother you that his choice to nurture your child was wholly arbitrary?”</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">What Rauser neglects to include in his analogy, and truthfully it’s essential, is that humans do not deserve salvation. The Calvinist maintains that (in virtue of our Total Depravity) morality and/or justice does not impose on God a duty to save us from death. As such, if God is to save us, it is totally unmerited in all senses of the word. It goes, as it were, beyond the call of duty, and is as such, “supererogatory”. That is to say, it might be a nice deed for God to perform, but there is no obligation/duty on Him to do so. If it’s the case that any salvific work that God does is “supererogatory” in this sense, then it cannot be said that there’s any injustice associated with picking some and leaving others. Suppose by way of illustration, that some person S has many brothers. Suppose furthermore, that S (out of the goodness of his heart) decides to gift some money to but one of his brothers. Since S was under no obligation to give ANY of his brothers (let alone the one he actually gave it to) any money at all, there’s no injustice or objective unfairness in S benefiting one brother and not benefiting others. None of S&#8217;s brothers had done anything that placed a duty on S to provide his brothers with money, and nor was there anything about S&#8217; brothers which meant that they were intrinsically deserving of the money. In a similar way, the Calvinist holds that because of our sinful nature, there is nothing about us or the way we act which means that we deserve salvation. Hence God has no duty whatsoever to save us. That God has no such duty entails that there is no injustice associated with God saving some and not others.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">It is the fact that we don&#8217;t deserve salvation that Rauser unfortunately fails to include in his analogy. I have no doubt that he attempted to include this in the analogy (the fact that the children are referred to as “troubled” is indication enough), nevertheless it strikes me that what does most of the work in producing the intuition that the camp director’s actions were unjust, is not so much the fact that his actions were “arbitrary”, so much as that the children were not deserving of such treatment. As much as Rauser attempts to include in his analogy the un-deservingness of the children, he does not succeed. Troubled children, we perceive, are never so troubled and don’t commit crimes so horrific as to deserve the treatment they receive at the hands of the camp director in Rauser’s illustration. To the contrary, we are inclined to think that the children <strong><em>deserve</em></strong> better treatment. In Rauser&#8217;s analogy then, there is a duty on the camp director to treat the children in a more appropriate manner. It&#8217;s this that the injustice of Rauser&#8217;s analogy consists in. Not, as he asserts, the mere arbitrariness of the camp directors choice.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">By failing to incorporate this aspect into his analogy, Rauser assumes what the Calvinist about election already denies, namely that we are deserving of salvation, and that God has a corresponding duty to save us. So in an important sense, Rauser assumes the falsity of Calvinism in an attempt to show its falsity. To put a long story short, he begs the question against Calvinism.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I am given to understand that Randal Rauser is a prolific blogger, and I sincerely hope for his response.</p>
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		<title>Tim McGrew&#8217;s Library of Historical Apologetics: Rediscovering Forgotten Defenders of the Faith</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last year Timothy McGrew, Professor of Philosophy at Western Michigan University (and reader of and occasional commenter on this blog) was kind enough to ship us a hard-drive from the US filled with thousands of old theological works on the historical argument for the truth of Christianity. It is truly a gold-mine of information, which Matt gets himself [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">Last year <a title="Link to Dr. Timothy McGrew's home page" href="http://homepages.wmich.edu/~mcgrew/" target="_blank">Timothy McGrew</a>, Professor of Philosophy at Western Michigan University (and reader of and occasional commenter on this blog) was kind enough to ship us a hard-drive from the US filled with thousands of old theological works on the historical argument for the truth of Christianity. It is truly a gold-mine of information, which Matt gets himself routinely lost in and for which visitors to our home have been known to arrive carrying their own portable hard drives so as take away a copy.</p>
<p><img class="alignleft" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 7px; border: 1px solid black;" title="Library of Historical Apologetics" src="http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs514.ash1/30334_101348816581451_101343523248647_8907_4699876_n.jpg" alt="Library of Historical Apologetics" width="146" height="95" /></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">At the time Tim told us he was aiming to get this material online so that everyone could access it. Along with his advisory board of <a href="http://www.reasonablefaith.org/site/PageServer">William Lane Craig</a>, <a href="http://www.garyhabermas.com/">Gary Habermas</a>, <a href="http://faculty.biola.edu/craig_hazen/">Craig Hazen</a>, <a href="http://www.nobts.edu/Faculty/StoZ/StewartR/">Robert Stewart</a>, it seems he has made some progress as the <a href="http://historicalapologetics.org/" target="_blank">Library of Historical Apologetics</a> is now live and open for browsing and is really worth checking out.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Paraphrasing and splicing bits together from the Collection page:</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The collection contains both one of the world’s largest catalogs of works in historical apologetics, the branch of apologetics dealing with the authenticity and credibility of the scriptures and particularly of the New Testament. The authors come from various denominational and educational backgrounds and would not agree with each other on all points of theology. Some are profound works of research and scholarship; others are brief works addressed to a non-specialist audience. But each makes a distinctive contribution to the literature of historical apologetics.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In addition to the library, the site features:</p>
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<li><strong><a href="http://historicalapologetics.org/collection/annotated-bibliography/" target="_blank">Annotated Bibliography</a></strong><strong>: </strong>Short descriptions of selected works.</li>
<li><strong><a href="http://historicalapologetics.org/collection/spotlight/" target="_blank">Spotlight Articles</a></strong><strong>: </strong>Published monthly, these two page articles describe an author, book or apologetic theme [Very cool!]</li>
<li><strong><a href="http://historicalapologetics.org/collection/quote-of-the-week/" target="_blank">Quotation of the Week</a></strong><strong>: </strong>Significant and pithy excerpts that make a poignant point and illustrate the subject matter of a particular author.</li>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">All works available at the library are in English and are part of the public domain.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>HT</strong> <em>Tim McGrew</em></p>
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		<title>Contra Mundum: Slavery and the Old Testament</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Why didn’t the Christian God ever explicitly and clearly condemn slavery?” This was John Loftus’ question in his book, Why I Became an Atheist: A Former Preacher Rejects Christianity. He posed it after sharing the following chilling account of slavery as practiced in the antebellum American south, He took her into the kitchen, and stripped [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">“Why didn’t the Christian God ever explicitly and clearly condemn slavery?” This was John Loftus’ question in his book, <em>Why I Became</em><em> an Atheist: A Former Preacher Rejects Christianity. </em>He posed it<em> </em>after sharing the following chilling account of slavery as practiced in the antebellum American south,</p>
<blockquote><p style="text-align: justify;">He took her into the kitchen, and stripped her from neck to waist. He made her get upon the stool, and he tied her hands to a hook in the joist. After rolling up his sleeves, he commenced to lay on the heavy cow skin, and soon the warm, red blood came dripping to the floor … No words, no tears, no prayers, from his gory victim, seemed to move his iron heart from its bloody purpose. The louder she screamed, the harder he whipped; and where the blood ran fastest, there he whipped longest. He would whip her to make her scream, and whip her to make her hush; and not until overcome by fatigue, would he cease to swing the blood clotted cowskin.</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">Loftus is not alone, it is often affirmed as an incontestable and obvious truth that the Bible supports slavery. Atheist philosopher Walter Armstrong substantiated this accusation with a citation from the book of Leviticus, “as for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations around you” (Lev 25:44 ESV).</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The ESV here uses the English word ‘slave’ to translate the Hebrew word <em>ebed</em>. The problem is that it is not at all clear that these two terms are analogous. In 1690 philosopher John Locke argued that an examination of the Old Testament’s references to an <em>ebed</em> shows that it is not the equivalent what we think of when we hear the term ‘slave.’ Locke is only one of many scholars who have come to the same conclusion.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The Oxford Dictionary defines a slave as a “person who is the legal property of another or others and is bound to absolute obedience, human chattel.” Rodney Stark utilises a similar definition, “A slave is a human being who, in the eyes of the law and custom, is the possession, or chattel, of another human being or of a small group of human beings. Ownership of slaves entails absolute control, including the right to punish (often including the right to kill), to direct behavior, and to transfer ownership.” Timothy Keller astutely observes that the English term ‘slave’ carries connotations of new-world slavery as it was practiced in the British Empire and made infamous in the antebellum southern states of the US.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In the British Empire and in many US states, slavery was governed under the Code of Barbados. This code was explicitly racist and described Africans as “heathenish, brutish, and an uncertaine, dangerous kinde of people.” It allowed owners to use, “unlimited force to compel labor without penalty even if this resulted in maiming or death.” It denied slaves due process rights and permitted owners to, in effect, kill their slave for any cause. It forbade slaves from marrying. It effectively prevented owners from setting their slaves free. Keller writes that, “The African slave trade was begun and resourced through kidnapping.” Stark notes that “20 to 40 percent of slaves died while being transported to the coast, another 3-10 percent died while waiting on the coast, and about 12 to 16 percent boarded on ships died during the voyage.”</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">However, what the Old Testament refers to differs from slavery, so understood, in several important respects.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">First, an <em>ebed</em> was not acquired by kidnapping. Kidnapping a human being and selling that person as a slave was a capital offence in the Old Testament (Ex 21:16). Moreover, slave trading is implicitly condemned in the book of Revelation (Rev 18:13) and explicitly condemned by Paul as contrary to the law and sound doctrine (1 Tim 1:9-10).</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In the Old Testament an <em>ebed</em> was usually person who offered to work for another, free of charge, in exchange for a debt being cancelled. It resembled a form of indentured servitude.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Second, the institution was not based on notions that <em>ebed</em> were of an inferior race. In fact, the opposite is affirmed. In the book of Job we read,</p>
<blockquote><p style="text-align: justify;">If I have rejected the cause of my male or female slaves [Hebrew: <em>ebed amah</em>] when they brought a complaint against me; what then shall I do when God rises up? When he makes inquiry, what shall I answer him? Did not he who made me in the womb make them? And did not one fashion us in the womb? (Job 31:13-15)</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">Here Job refers to an <em>ebed</em> as having a right to go to court and sue his or her “owner” in pursuit of his or her rights. Job bases this on the idea that both he and his <em>ebed</em> are equal, both are created by God.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Third, as Locke noted, an <em>ebed</em> was not the property of another and could not be disposed of. To deliberately kill an <em>ebed</em> was a capital offence (Ex 21:20-21). Similarly, it was illegal to strike an <em>ebed</em> (Ex 21:26-27).</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">However, some dispute this latter point on the basis of Exodus 21:20-21,</p>
<blockquote><p style="text-align: justify;">If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">Some interpret this passage to mean that because a “slave” is the property of another they can severely beat the slave and providing the beating is not fatal, there is no legal punishment. However, this fails to deal adequately with the context and the Hebrew text, the word translated as ‘property’ here is actually ‘silver’ (a reference to money) and the word translated ‘punishment’ here is not the usual word for punishment.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Old Testament scholar Christopher Wright notes that the word implies “the shedding of the blood of the master of the slave” and so refers to capital punishment. It is used in direct contrast with the same word in the previous verse where it is stated that deliberately killing an <em>ebed</em> is to be avenged. Therefore, it does not say the person will not be punished for beating a slave, it says he will not be executed for it <em>unless</em> he kills the slave. For further evidence that the passage is not a license to beat, a couple of verses later even causing a minor injury on an <em>ebed</em>, such as a bruise, is explicitly condemned. The same contrast occurs in the passage immediately preceding where a <em>free man</em> who struck and killed another was to be “held responsible” but not if the person survived. It is clear, however, that the person was in fact to be legally punished as v 19 states he had to compensate his victim for the injury. Hence, in context the ‘held responsible’ is referring only to being held responsible for murder and is not speaking to the lesser charges of assault. What Ex 21:20-21 says then, is that if a person deliberately kills his or her <em>ebed</em> then that person is to be held responsible for murder and executed. If the slave “gets up after a day or two,” then the person is not to be held responsible for murder because the <em>ebed</em> is his or her “silver.”</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">This makes sense as a few verses later, in Ex 21:26-27, striking a slave is explicitly prohibited and the legal punishment is for the <em>ebed</em> to go free. In The Old Testament, the penalty for assault was for the assailant to provide monetary compensation to the victim. This would create a quandary in this case as an <em>ebed</em> is in a position of servitude because he or she is in debt to the person he or she works for. In such a case the assailant would owe money to a person who owes him or her money. The Old Testament resolves the issue by declaring that even a trivial strike, such as causing a bruise (v21:25) should result in an immediate cancelation of the <em>ebed</em>’s entire debt, which would often result in a financial loss to the assailant. The New Testament similarly concurs, prohibiting “masters’ from even threatening their “slaves” (Eph 6:9) and to treat their “slaves” the way the “slave” is required to treat them.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Further, unlike new-world slavery which was life long and where, under the Barbados Code, emancipation was effectively prohibited, an <em>ebed</em> could not be held in service for more than six years (Ex 21:2). Upon release, their employer was morally required to give them sufficient resources for them to be set up on their own feet (Deut 15:12-18) and the community left resources for them to live on for a year (Ex 23:10-11, Lev 25:2-7).</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">These passages are often thought to refer only to Hebrew and hence Jewish slaves. Wright, however, argues that that in its original context the key word <em>ibri</em> designated a social class, not an ethnic group. This was the class of people who did not own land and in an agrarian economy survived by hiring themselves out to land owners.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In fact, in the passage immediately before the verse Armstrong cites the Old Testament forbids any Israelite taking another Israelite as a <em>ebed</em> on the grounds that they are a “ebed of God” whom God has redeemed. Paul applies the same teaching to Christians prohibiting Christians from being sold as ‘slaves’ (1 Cor 7:23). Similarly, the Old Testament commanded people to prevent family members from becoming an <em>ebed</em> by paying their debts for them (Lev 25:48). Further, Paul, after writing to the Corinthians and encouraging them to “retain the place in life that the Lord assigned,” encourages slaves to purchase their freedom and to <em>not</em> remain in this position if it was possible to do so (1 Cor 7:21-22).</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Finally, if an <em>ebed</em> fled from an oppressive employer it was illegal to return him or her to “his master.” Instead, he or she was to live “wherever he likes and in whatever town he chooses” (Deut 23:15-16). It was forbidden to send an <em>ebed</em> back to his or her owner; contrast this with the practice in the antebellum south, the Fugitive Slave Act 1850 required the return of run-away slaves at penalty of law.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Contrary to what some contend, the Old Testament does not permit slavery. It is more accurate to say it tolerates indentured servitude under certain situations; the paradigm being where the servitude is voluntary, temporary, is done in exchange for payment of a debt where the alternative is starvation and destitution and only in situations where the servant is given the same basic legal rights as everyone else and is protected from abusive treatment. To suggest this picture fits with the opening quote above is a stretch to say the least.</p>
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		<title>Sunday Study: Joshua and the Genocide of the Canaanites Part I</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">Critics of Christianity often claim that the book of Joshua teaches that God commanded genocide. Raymond Bradley for example states,</p>
<blockquote style="text-align: justify;"><p>In chapters 7 through 12, [the book of Joshua] treats us to a chilling chronicle of the 31 kingdoms, and all the cities therein, that fell victim to Joshua&#8217;s, and God&#8217;s, genocidal policies. Time and again we read the phrases &#8220;he utterly destroyed every person who was in it,&#8221; &#8220;he left no survivor,&#8221; and &#8220;there was no one left who breathed.&#8221;<a href="#_ftn1">[1]</a></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">Similarly, Walter Sinnott-Armstrong cites passages in Joshua with the same point in mind.<a href="#_ftn2">[2]</a></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The objection that Bradley and Armstrong raise in highlighting these passages is that Christians are committed to an inconsistent set of propositions.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px; text-align: left;">[1] Any act that God commands is morally permissible.<br />
 [2] The scriptures are an authoritative revelation of God’s commands.<br />
 [3] It is morally impermissible for anyone to commit genocide.<br />
 [4] According to the book of Joshua, God commanded Israel to commit genocide.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">If we are to rationally affirm both [1] and [2] then we must give up either [3] or [4]. So which one should we reject?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Philip Quinn has developed a way of addressing clashes such as this. He suggests that we can draw on a principle whereby “whenever two conflicting claims differ in epistemic status, the claim with the lower epistemic status is to be rejected.”</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><a href="#_ftn3">[3]</a>Given this approach, if a particular interpretation of any passage conflicts with one of our moral intuitions then we should ask whether or not the case for that interpretation is as convincing as the principle that it clashes with. Now, the principle that genocide is wrong is, I think, a highly plausible one. Therefore, if one is to prefer [3] to [4] then the case for a literal reading must at least be this plausible, and preferably even more plausible. In this series of posts I will argue, perhaps surprisingly to some, that [4] is doubtful. While it is true that taken in isolation and interpreted in a strict literal fashion the book of Joshua does appear to state that God commanded Genocide, I contend that when the text is read in its literary and textual context this conclusion is far from evident and is, in fact, rather questionable.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In the tenth chapter of the book of Joshua we read,</p>
<blockquote style="text-align: justify;"><p>They [Joshua and his troops] took the city, its king and its villages, and put them to the sword. Everyone in it they totally destroyed. They left no survivors. They did to Debir and its king as they had done to Libnah and its king and to Hebron. So Joshua subdued the whole region, including the hill country, the Negev, the western foothills and the mountain slopes, together with all their kings. He left no survivors. He totally destroyed all who breathed, just as the LORD, the God of Israel, had commanded. Joshua subdued them from Kadesh Barnea to Gaza and from the whole region of Goshen to Gibeon. (Joshua 10:39-41)</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">This text summarises Joshua’s campaign in southern Canaan. The northern campaign is summarised in a similar fashion in the following chapter,</p>
<blockquote><p style="text-align: justify;">So Joshua took this entire land: the hill country, all the Negev, the whole region of Goshen, the western foothills, the Arabah and the mountains of Israel with their foothills, from Mount Halak, which rises toward Seir, to Baal Gad in the Valley of Lebanon below Mount Hermon. He captured all their kings and struck them down, putting them to death. Joshua waged war against all these kings for a long time. Except for the Hivites living in Gibeon, not one city made a treaty of peace with the Israelites, who took them all in battle. For it was the LORD himself who hardened their hearts to wage war against Israel, so that he might destroy them totally, exterminating them without mercy, as the LORD had commanded Moses. At that time Joshua came and wiped out the Anakim from the hill country, from Hebron, from Debir, from Anab, and from all the hill country of Judah, and from all the hill country of Israel; Joshua utterly destroyed them with their towns. No Anakites were left in Israelite territory; only in Gaza, Gath and Ashdod did any survive. So Joshua took the entire land, just as the LORD had directed Moses, and he gave it as an inheritance to Israel according to their tribal divisions. Then the land had rest from war. (Joshua 11:16-23)</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">If these passages are taken in a strict literal fashion and read in isolation from the proceeding narrative they record the divinely authorised commission of genocide. Taken literally these passages state three things.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Firstly, that Joshua conquered and subdued the entire regions of southern and northern Canaan. Verse 11:23 states that “Joshua took the entire land” and then “gave it as an inheritance to Israel according to their tribal divisions.” This suggests that the region in question is the same land that is later divided between the Israelite tribes, which was the entire land of Canaan.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Secondly, the passage repeatedly emphasises that Joshua exterminated all the Canaanites in this region. Verse 11:21 states “Joshua came and wiped out the Anakim from the hill country, from Hebron, from Debir, from Anab, and from all the hill country of Judah.” Verse 11:22 states that no Anakites were left living in Israeli territory after this campaign.  Repeatedly it states that Joshua left “no survivors” and “destroyed everything that breathed” in “the entire land.” Alongside these general claims the text goes to identifies several specific places and cities where Joshua exterminated everyone and left no survivors and killed all who breathed. These include Hebron, Debir, the hill country and the Negev.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Thirdly, the text states that God commanded these actions. Verse 23 identifies the commands with those laid down in the Law of Moses, which refers back to passages like Deut 20:16-19 and Deut 7.1-5.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The first thing I want to note is that the text should not be read in isolation from the narrative in which this occurs. This hermeneutical point may seem rather obvious but when it is taken seriously immediate and obvious problems occur with a strictly literal reading of the ‘genocide passages’ I mention above. The most glaringly obvious issue relates to the opening of the book of Judges. In the first chapter of Judges we read of events that occurred after the death of Joshua (and, hence, after the campaigns mentioned in Josh 10 and 11). Here it is explicitly stated that Canaanites are living in the land which had been allotted to various Israeli tribes, the land that Joshua is said to have conquered and “left no survivors” in. Note that this was not a small remnant. They existed in such numbers that each of the tribes of Israel needed to fight in order to dislodge them from the land. Several of the tribes were unable to do so and so Israel failed to dislodge them.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Of particular interest, however, are the several cities and regions mentioned. In the first chapter we are told that the Canaanites lived Gaza (Judg 1:18), the Negev (1:9), in the hill country  (Judg 1:9) in Debir (Judg 1:11), in Hebron (Judg 1:10) and in the the western foothills (Judg 1:9). Moreover, they did so in such numbers and strength that they had to be driven out by force. These are the same cities that Joshua 10 tells us Joshua had annihilated and left no survivors in.  Moreover, the text explicitly states that <em>Anakites</em> are in Hebron, yet Joshua 11:22 tells us that “No Anakites were left in Israelite territory.” This seems rather odd if Joshua had exterminated everyone there and left no survivors. It is also odd given that Joshua is said, in the genocide passages, to have conquered and subdued the entire region.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Moreover, the account of what God commanded also differs in Judges 2:1. Here no mention of genocide or annihilation is made, instead we hear of how God had promised to drive them out and has commanded the Israelites to not to make treaties with them and to destroy their shrines. Taken in a straight-forward literal manner then, Joshua’s actions are at odds with the first two chapters of Judges.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">It is not just Judges that this problem occurs in. There are numerous places within the book of Joshua itself where the same picture is presented. As noted, Joshua 11 ends by stating that “the entire land, just as the LORD had directed Moses” was given “as an inheritance to Israel according to their tribal divisions.” When the text turns to giving an account of these tribal divisions it is evident that the Israelites do not actually occupy it, but living, breathing, Canaanites do.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The allotments begin with God telling Joshua, “You are very old, and there are still very large areas of land to be taken over” (Josh 13:1). Moreover, when one examines the allotment given to Judah we see Caleb asking permission to drive the  Anakites (Josh14: 11) from the hill countries and we also hear how Caleb has to defeat Anakites living in Hebron and, after this, marches against the people “living in Debir” (Josh 15:13-19). Similarly it is evident with several of the other allotments that the people have yet to drive Canaanites entrenched in the area and that Israelites were not always successful in doing so.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">We read, for example, that Ephraimites and Manassites “did not dislodge the Canaanites living in Gezer; to this day the Canaanites live among the people of Ephraim” (Josh 16:10). Similarly, in Chapter 17 it states “Yet the Manassites were not able to occupy these towns, for the Canaanites were determined to live in that region. However, when the Israelites grew stronger, they subjected the Canaanites to forced labor but did not drive them out completely” (Joshua 17:12-13). We hear that “Danites had difficulty taking possession of their territory, so they went up and attacked Leshem, took it, put it to the sword and occupied it. They settled in Leshem and named it Dan after their forefather” (Joshua 19:47). Here, we see the same land said to be subdued and conquered by Joshua in battles where he exterminated and left alive nothing that breathed. This land is yet to be occupied by the tribes of Israel and is occupied by Canaanites, often heavily armed and deeply entrenched (17:17-18).</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Brevard Childs notes the apparent contradiction,</p>
<blockquote style="text-align: justify;"><p>Critical scholars have long since pointed out the tension &#8211; usually it is called a contradiction &#8211; in the portrayal of the conquest of the land. On the one hand, the conquest is pictured in the main source of Josh. 1-12 as a unified assault against the inhabitants of the land under the leadership of Joshua which succeeded in conquering the entire land. On the other hand, there is a conflicting view of the conquest represented by Judges 1 and its parallels in Joshua which appears to picture the conquest as undertaken by individual tribes, extending over a long period beyond the age of Joshua, and unsuccessful in driving out the Canaanites from much of the land.<a href="#_ftn4">[4]</a></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">More recently Kenneth Kitchen has taken issue with Childs’ picture of Joshua 1-12. He notes that, apart from the passages cited at the beginning of this post, a careful reading of Joshua 1-12 makes it clear that Israel did not actually occupy or conquer the areas mentioned at all. Kitchen notes that after crossing the Jordan the Israelites set up camp in Gilgal “on the east border of Jericho” (Joshua 4:19). He notes that after every battle in the next six chapters the text explicitly states that they returned to Gilgal,</p>
<blockquote style="text-align: justify;"><p>The conflict with Canaanite city-state rulers in the southern part of Canaan is worth close examination. After the battle for Gibeon, we see the Hebrews advancing upon six towns in order, attacking and capturing them, killing their local kings and such inhabitants that had not gotten clear, and <em>moving on, not holding on to those places</em>. Twice over (10:15, 43), it is clearly stated that their strike force <em>returned to base camp at Gilgal</em>.  So there was no sweeping take over and occupation of this region at this point. And no total destruction of the towns attacked.<a href="#_ftn5">[5]</a></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">Kitchen goes on to note,</p>
<blockquote style="text-align: justify;"><p>What happened in the south was repeated up north. Hazor was both leader and famed center for the north Canaanite kinglets. Thus as in the south the Hebrew strike force defeated the opposition; captured their towns, killed rulers and less mobile inhabitants, symbolically burned Hazor and Hazor only<a href="#_ftn6">[6]</a> to emphasis its end to its local supremacy. Again Israel did not attempt to immediately hold on to Galilee: they remained based at Gilgal (14:6).<a href="#_ftn7">[7]</a></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">Kitchen notes that the first “real indication of a move in occupation beyond Gilgal comes in 18:4.” This is after the first allotment of “lands to be occupied are made” and as we saw above the Israelites did not find occupying these allotments easy. He concludes, “these campaigns were essentially disabling raids: they were not territorial conquests with instant Hebrew occupation. The text is very clear about this.”<a href="#_ftn8">[8]</a></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">So a straight-forward, literal, reading of the passages cited at the beginning of this post does not cohere with the rest of the narrative. The best account I have come across for explaining this apparent contradiction between a literal reading of the “genocide passages” and the rest of Joshua and Judges is one recently defended by Nicholas Wolterstorff.[9] Wolterstorff suggests that the phrases such as, “Everyone in it they totally destroyed,” “They left no survivors,” etc are not intended to be read literally but function as hyperboles. The analogy he gives is of a high school student who, after a baseball game states, “we totally slaughtered the opposition, we annihilated them just as coach told us to.”<a href="#_ftn10">[10]</a></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Plantinga suggests a similar line as a possibility. That phrases such as, “put to death men women infants and cattle” are to be understood more like a person who in the context of a boxing match states, “knock his block off, hand him his head” or  in a football or baseball game where it is stated that the team should “kill the opposition” or that “we totally slaughtered them.”<a href="#_ftn11">[11]</a> Understood in a non-literal sense the phrases probably meant “something like, attack them, defeat them, drive them out; not literally kill every man, woman, child donkey and the like.”<a href="#_ftn12">[12]</a> Wolterstorff elaborates,</p>
<blockquote style="text-align: justify;"><p>When a high-school basket ball player says his team slaughtered the other team last night he&#8217;s not asserting, literally now, that they slaughter the other team. What is he asserting? Not easy to tell. That they scored a decisive victory? Maybe, but suppose they barely eked out a win? Was he lying? Maybe not. Maybe he was speaking with a wink of the eye hyperbole. High school kids do.<a href="#_ftn13">[13]</a></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">In the same way,</p>
<blockquote style="text-align: justify;"><p>To say Joshua struck down all the inhabitants with the edge of the sword is a way of saying something like Israel scored a decisive victory and once you recognise the presence of hyperbole it is not even clear how decisive the victories were. Joshua did not conquer all the cities in the land nor did he slaughter all the inhabitants in the cities he did conquer. The book of Joshua does not say that he did.<a href="#_ftn14">[14]</a></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">In my next Sunday Study, <a href="http://www.mandm.org.nz/2010/01/sunday-study-joshua-and-the-genocide-of-the-canaanites-part-ii.html">Sunday Study: Joshua and the Genocide of the Canaanites Part II</a>,  I will attempt to defend Wolterstorff’s position.</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><a href="#_ftnref1">[1]</a> Raymond Bradley “<a href="http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/raymond_bradley/moral.html">A moral Argument for Atheism</a>” Presented at the University of Western Washington, May 27, 1999, and&#8211;in a revised form&#8211;at the University of Auckland, September 29, 1999.<br />
 <a href="#_ftnref2">[2]</a> Walter Sinnott-Armstrong “Why Traditional Theism Cannot Provide an Adequate Foundation for Morality” in <em>Is Goodness without God Good Enough: A Debate on Faith, Secularism and Ethics</em> eds Robert K Garcia and Nathan L King (Lanham: Rowman &amp; Littlefield Publishers, 2008) 110.<a href="#_ftnref3"><br />
 [3]</a> Philip Quinn “Religion and Politics” in ed William Mann <em>The</em> <em>Blackwell Guide to Philosophy of Religion</em> (Malden  MA: Blackwell Publishing, 2005) 316.<a href="#_ftnref4"><br />
 [4]</a> Brevard Childs <em>An Introduction to the Old Testament as Scripture</em> (Fortress Press Philadelphia: 1979) 247.<a href="#_ftnref5"><br />
 [5]</a> Kenneth Kitchen <em>On the Reliability of the Old Testament</em> (Grand Rapids and Cambridge: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 2003) 162.<a href="#_ftnref6"><br />
 [6]</a> See Joshua 11:13 “But Israel burned none of the towns that stood on mounds except Hazor, which Joshua did burn.”<br />
 <a href="#_ftnref7">[7]</a> Kitchen, above n 5.<a href="#_ftnref8"><br />
 [8]</a> Ibid.<br />
 <a href="#_ftnref9">[9]</a> Nicholas Wolterstorff “Reading Joshua” a paper presented to<strong> “</strong><a href="http://philreligion.nd.edu/conferences/documents/HBprogram_006.pdf" class="broken_link" rel="nofollow">My Ways Are Not Your Ways: The Character of the God of the Hebrew Bible</a>” Conference at the centre for Philosophy of Religion, University of Notre Dame, Saturday 12 September 2009<br />
 <a href="#_ftnref10">[10]</a> Ibid.<a href="#_ftnref11"><br />
 [11]</a> Alvin Plantinga “Comments on Evan Fales’ Satanic Versus: Moral Chaos in Holy Writ” a paper presented to<strong> “</strong><a href="http://philreligion.nd.edu/conferences/documents/HBprogram_006.pdf" class="broken_link" rel="nofollow">My Ways Are Not Your Ways: The Character of the God of the Hebrew Bible</a>” Conference at the centre for Philosophy of Religion, University of Notre Dame, Friday 11 September 2009.<a href="#_ftnref12"><br />
 [12]</a> Ibid &#8211; stated by Plantinga in the Q&amp;A session.<br />
 <a href="#_ftnref13">[13]</a> Nicholas Wolterstorff “Response to Louise Anthony” a paper presented to<strong> “</strong><a href="http://philreligion.nd.edu/conferences/documents/HBprogram_006.pdf" class="broken_link" rel="nofollow">My Ways Are Not Your Ways: The Character of the God of the Hebrew Bible</a>” Conference at the centre for Philosophy of Religion, University of Notre Dame. Saturday 12 September 2009.<a href="#_ftnref14"><br />
 [14]</a></span><span style="font-size: x-small;"> Wolterstorff, above n 9.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify; line-height: 150%;"><span lang="EN-GB">More recently Kenneth Kitchen has taken issue with Childs’ picture of Joshua 1-12. He notes that, apart from the passages cited at the beginning of this post, a careful reading of  Joshua 1-12 makes it clear that Israel did not actually occupy or conquer the areas mentioned at all. Kitchen notes that after crossing the Jordan the Israelites set up camp in Gilgal “on the east border of Jericho” (Joshua 4:19). He notes that after every battle in the next six chapters the text explicitly states that they returned to Gilgal,</span></p>
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		<title>St Matthews in the City: Progressive Irrationality</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">It was a typical chilly Dunedin morning. I was standing in line at the Otago University Post Shop, about to send an important document overseas, when the student in front of me, oblivious to his audience, announced to the girl beside him “I’ve got a doll of Jesus in my car, I have tied a noose around its neck and hanged it. It’s hilarious. It really pisses those Christians off.” Laughter ensued. Now I was outwardly restrained but in my mind I contemplated a come back; it went like this, as soon as the guy had spoken I would call him an “asshole” in front of everyone in the line. When he looked bewildered and offended that a complete stranger had insulted him for no reason at all, I would respond, “What’s your problem, you just said that it was funny to insult people for no reason at all other than the fact that you find it funny to piss them off.”</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Now I did not do this, and for good reason. It is generally not a good look for a doctoral student to go around insulting other students simply because they said things about my religion that I disagreed with &#8211; people would justifiably be outraged at me and denounce me as bigoted. But, isn’t this the point?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I recalled this event this morning as I heard that the controversial Christmas billboard, put up by St Matthews in the City, has been taken down. For those outside of Auckland, St Matthews in the City is an Anglican congregation that propounds, what they like to call, “progressive Christianity.” They recently put up a billboard showing Mary and Joseph in bed, not looking too happy, with the line “poor Joseph, God was a tough act to follow.” The billboard implies quite clearly that God not only literally had sex with Mary, was a fantastic orgasmic lover but it also, by implication, entails that God committed adultery, and so did Mary.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-2226" style="margin: 2px 7px;" title="Mary and Joseph" src="http://www.mandm.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/MaryandJoseph-300x200.jpg" alt="Mary and Joseph" width="300" height="200" />I am glad the billboard is down (though I will not endorse the  reported method) for the obvious reason that it is insulting to other people and, prima facie, it is wrong to insult other people. Of course, there can be situations, such as where a person does something wrong, that the appropriate response is to insult them but absent such situations, charity dictates that we refrain from doing so. Millions of people world-wide worship God and millions of Roman Catholic venerate Mary, this billboard affirmed that persons they love and adore are adulterers.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Of course some are saying that this is just a joke and we Christians should get a sense of humour. I always find this response disingenuous. Suppose I, for a joke, put a picture of the vicar of St Matthews, Glyn Cardy and his wife, outside my Church, made both of them look not so happy, and added the phrase “Glyn Cardy is as soft and floppy as his theology,” right there, in public &#8211; <em>outside my church let’s not forget -</em> for all to see. Would the response, &#8216;oh come on it’s only a joke, get a sense of humour,&#8217; wash with anyone? I doubt it. If I were a gambler I would bet we would hear another of Cardy’s little sermons about how this is proof of the narrow-minded intolerance that non-progressive Christians like me expound. But then wouldn’t it be evident that neither Cardy nor anyone else believes that humor justifies making insulting personal comments of this nature?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Of course in many ways this whole event shows up the intellectual shallowness that so called “progressive Christians” show towards others. Take Cardy’s justification for the billboard <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/national/">according to Stuff</a>, Cardy states,</p>
<blockquote><p style="text-align: justify;">St Matthew&#8217;s church says the aim is to provoke conversation about spiritual matters by lampooning the literal Christian conception story and inviting people to think again about what a miracle is … He said the idea behind the billboard was to move a debate that was inside the church to outside it &#8221;and certainly people in all sorts of places are talking about it&#8221;. He didn&#8217;t doubt that some people had been offended by the billboard, but &#8221;the literalness of a male God impregnating Mary needs to be laughed at&#8221;.</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">Note two things here, first Cardy clearly caricatures the “literal conception story” yet mainstream Christendom, who believes this story, do not hold that God is literally a man and that he had sex with Mary. God in traditional theology is immaterial, he has no sex organs and the story of a virginal conception is just that, a virginal conception. Cardy, of course, being theologically trained, knows this. Second, Cardy on calling for “debate” means that people who hold orthodox Christian views “needs to be laughed at.” So Cardy’s understanding of theological debate apparently involves deliberately distorting and caricaturing the views of other people and then responding, not with reasoned argument, but ridicule.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I might be a bit too conservative and old fashioned but in my book theological argument involves trying to understand another’s position by trying to grasp the best representative examples of it so one can articulate it accurately and then offer sound arguments or reasons for rejecting it or for showing where and why it is flawed. It also involves treating ones interlocutors with respect. Of course I do not always live up to this ideal but it is one that I think Theologians should aspire to.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The fact that Cardy and St Matthews thinks otherwise tells us a bit about them and their “progressive Christianity.” People who think it is ok to ridicule and insult people simply because they hold a different religious perspective to them, who will dishonestly distort other’s views and responds to being challenged on this, not by reason, but by self-confident ridicule is not “progressive” and no amount of relabeling it will change this fact.</p>
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		<title>Auckland STAANZ Conference: Eschatology and Pneumatology UPDATED</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Madeleine</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Systematic Theology Association in Aotearoa New Zealand (STAANZ ) are this week holding a conference in Auckland focusing on eschatology and pneumatology. What: STAANZ Conference on Eschatology and Pneumatology When: Thursday 19 November &#8211; Friday 20 November 9:00am-5:30 pm Where: Ponsonby Baptist Church, 43 Jervois Rd, Auckland Cost: $15 Pre-conference prayer will be held [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">The Systematic Theology Association in Aotearoa New Zealand (STAANZ ) are this week holding a conference in Auckland focusing on  eschatology and pneumatology.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px; text-align: justify;"><strong>What:</strong> STAANZ Conference on Eschatology and Pneumatology<br />
 <strong>When:</strong> Thursday 19 November &#8211; Friday 20 November 9:00am-5:30 pm<br />
 <strong>Where:</strong> Ponsonby Baptist Church, 43 Jervois Rd, Auckland<br />
 <strong>Cost:</strong> $15</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px; text-align: justify;"><em>Pre-conference prayer will be held at 8:00am at All Saints in Ponsonby, 284 Ponsonby Rd, Auckland.</em><br />
 <em>Dinner at a local restaurant will be organised for the Thursday night.</em></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Speakers are as follows: [UPDATED]</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px; text-align: justify;"><strong>Thursday</strong><br />
 “Holy Spirit in the theology of Walter Kasper” – Hugh Bowron<br />
 “Backgrounding Walter Kasper’s Early Thought”- John Dunn<br />
 “Wandering between two worlds: 19th Century Reflections on Hope and Hell” &#8211; Carolyn Kelly<br />
 &#8220;Conscious Awareness of the Spirit in Symeon the New Theologian&#8221; – Jim McInnes<br />
 “Searching for Embers” – Susan Adams &amp; John Salmon</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>Friday</strong><br />
 “Abortion, Harm and Eschatology” – Matthew Flannagan<br />
 “Infant Salvation: Is God’s Mercy Enough?” &#8211; Myk Habets<br />
 “Participatory Glory : The Eschatological Direction of Karl Barth&#8217;s Theology of the Cross”— Rosalene Bradbury<br />
 “The Spirit and Longing”  &#8211; Judith Brown<br />
 “Filioque, Personhood and Ecclesiology” – Scott Kirkland<br />
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<p style="text-align: justify;">The abstract for Matt&#8217;s topic “Abortion, Harm and Eschatology” is as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p style="text-align: justify;">In <em>No Harm No Foul: Abortion and the Implications of Fetal Innocence</em> Kenneth Einar Himma offers what I shall call ‘the eschatological argument for abortion rights.’ Himma argues that because a fetus lacks the mental capacity to be culpable for any sin, a plausible Christian eschatology entails that a person who kills a fetus does not actually harm the fetus. Instead feticide benefits the fetus by sending the person killed straight to the afterlife, thus avoiding the possibility of any risk of future sin and consequent damnation. Given abortion does not harm the fetus, and as one should only legally proscribe harmful actions, it follows that abortion should be considered a woman’s right. In this paper I will criticise the eschatological argument for abortion, arguing it has absurd implications that entail infanticide and killing the disabled. Further, that even if one grants the eschatological assumptions implicit in Himma’s critique, abortion does, in fact, harm the fetus.</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">Whilst Matt&#8217;s paper will find its way onto this blog, it is always nicer to hear it delivered in person so if you are free Friday morning he will be delivering it from 9:00-10:00 am.</p>
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		<title>&#8220;My Ways are Not Your Ways&#8221; Notre Dame Conference</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In September this year, the centre for Philosophy of Religion at the University of Notre Dame hosted a conference entitled “My Ways Are Not Your Ways”; the proceedings of the conference can be seen at the previous link and is a good resource. The theme of the conference, as outlined on Notre Dame&#8217;s webpage,  is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">In September this year, the centre for Philosophy of Religion at the University of Notre Dame hosted a conference entitled “<a href="http://philreligion.nd.edu/conferences/documents/HBprogram_006.pdf" class="broken_link" rel="nofollow">My Ways Are Not Your Ways</a>”; the proceedings of the conference can be seen at the previous link and is a good resource.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The theme of the conference, as outlined on <a href="http://philreligion.nd.edu/conferences/HebrewBible.shtml">Notre Dame&#8217;s webpage</a>,  is as follows;</p>
<blockquote style="text-align: justify;"><p>Adherents of the Abrahamic religious traditions contend that human beings are made in the image of God and that modeling the character of God in one’s life represents the pinnacle of human flourishing and moral perfection. Defenders of this tradition commonly point to passages in the canonical texts of the Jewish and Christian faiths that portray God as loving, merciful, patient, etc. in support of such a position. Since the seventeenth century, however, numerous critics of these Abrahamic traditions have argued that God, especially in the Hebrew Bible, is often portrayed as anything but a moral role model.</p>
<p>On the one hand, historical narratives in these texts describe God apparently committing, ordering, or commending genocide, slavery, and rape among other moral atrocities. On the other hand, a number of commands purportedly issued by God seem to commend bigotry, misogyny, and homophobia. In recent days, similar criticisms of the Abrahamic traditions have been raised by philosophers (Daniel Dennett), scientists (Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris), social commentators (Christopher Hitchens), and others.</p>
<p>Are these apparent commendations and commands of the Hebrew Bible consistent with the claim that the Abrahamic God is perfectly good and loving? Those defending this tradition have two avenues of response open to them. The first response would be to argue that the aforementioned troubling narratives or commands should simply be rejected. Those taking this approach would have to explain how they think such passages could be rejected without placing in peril the Abrahamic religions, which have traditionally claimed that the Hebrew Bible is, represents, or contains the inspired word of God. The second response would offer explanations aiming to show that the apparently untoward consequences can be avoided without rejecting the narratives or commands. Those taking this approach must explain either why the untoward consequences do not follow, or why they are not, in the end untoward.</p>
<p>However, while defenders of this tradition have both routes available to them, few of these defenders seem to have taken the challenge to heart. Despite these recent, forthright criticisms, only a handful of theologians or philosophers in these traditions have sought to respond to the criticisms.</p>
<p>The present conference aims to remedy this deficiency, taking as its focus the charge that the Abrahamic tradition should be rejected because of its foundation in the Hebrew Bible, which portrays God as immoral and vicious.  The presenters and commentators include philosophers—both theistic and nontheistic—as well as Biblical scholars.</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">For those who are interested, Michael Rea from Notre Dame has put <a href="http://philreligion.nd.edu/conferences/video/my_ways/">the entire conference online</a> (including the Q &amp; A).</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Enjoy <img src='http://www.mandm.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Guest Sunday Study: Moral Perspectives on Lying</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bethyada explores the morality of lying. (This guest post is part of open mic week(s)) There are a range of Christian theories on the moral acceptability of lying. The issues around lying seem difficult to fully categorise in English. The problem is a lack of simple words to express subtle differences in meaning. To illustrate [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;"><em><a href="http://bethyada.blogspot.com/">Bethyada</a> explores the morality of lying. (This guest post is part of</em><em> <a href="http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/10/snowed.html">open mic week(s)</a>)</em></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">There are a range of Christian  theories on the moral acceptability of lying.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The issues around lying  seem difficult to fully categorise in English. The problem is a lack of simple  words to express subtle differences in meaning. To illustrate this note that the  concept of lying can be considered analogous to killing. With killing we have  sub-terms such as murder, manslaughter, and capital punishment. We also  recognise killing in a variety of situations such as warfare and self-defence.  The debate about the morality of types of killing is more transparent because we  agree on meaning, even if we disagree or the moral acceptability of  them.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Whereas &#8220;lying&#8221; merely means distorting the truth irrespective of  the circumstances. There are terms such as deception, falsification,  untruthfulness, but these are basically synonymous. There are situational terms  though, such as perjury.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">So is falsehood a single conceptual category? I  have long thought it meaningful that the 9th commandment is not, &#8220;You shall not  lie,&#8221; but rather, &#8220;You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.&#8221; I  have previously <a title="blocked::http://bethyada.blogspot.com/2007/05/liar-liar.html" href="http://bethyada.blogspot.com/2007/05/liar-liar.html" target="_blank">distinguished between reality and what one perceives as  reality</a> stating that affirming a false belief is not lying. I have also <a title="blocked::http://bethyada.blogspot.com/2007/10/does-one-need-always-tell-truth.html" href="http://bethyada.blogspot.com/2007/10/does-one-need-always-tell-truth.html" target="_blank">made the distinction between voluntary and forced disclosure of  information</a> which I wish to expand on here.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The moral debate is that  either:</p>
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<li>lying (or specific types or lying) is objectively wrong, that is, various  forms of absolutism; or </li>
<li>lying is not intrinsically wrong (for all people), (though it may be  preferable to avoid in certain situations for other reasons), that is, forms of  subjectivism. </li>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">Christianity claims that morality has its source in the  moral law giver, thus it views the morality of truth telling as objective: the  same rules for all people at all times. Here are particular forms of such  absolutism.</p>
<h4 style="text-align: justify;">1. Unqualified Absolutism</h4>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><em>Lying is always wrong. People should  never lie ever. No matter what the situation or consequences.</em></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Doug  Beaumont explains such unqualified absolutism.</p>
<blockquote style="text-align: justify;"><p>Unqualified Absolutism is based on the idea that most moral actions  are intrinsically right or wrong, and because sin is always avoidable there can  be no actual moral conflict. Given a choice between telling the truth or lying  to avoid a murder, for example, one must choose telling the truth for in that  instance it is not the one speaking, but the murderer who is sinning. In that  case it is better to permit sin than to commit it. This view states that moral  &#8220;oughts&#8221; are viable regardless of their consequences, for any moral philosophy  that has exceptions results in relativism. Moral law is based on God&#8217;s  unchanging nature, therefore moral law itself is unchanging. Logically, if an  act is intrinsically evil, it cannot become good because of a changing  situation. Finally, God can always provide a third alternative to sinful  actions.</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">This is how many people view lying. It is a somewhat  reasonable but it lacks depth. Exceptions to rules don&#8217;t intrinsically mean  relativism. True, exceptions can be special pleading or hypocrisy, but they may  be legitimate (eg. age based rules). And as I note below, unqualified absolutism  may conflate intrinsically different actions.</p>
<h4 style="text-align: justify;">2. Conflicting Absolutism</h4>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><em>Lying is wrong, but it needs to be  considered within the situation. If lying conflicts with another moral  commandment then one must do obey the higher moral. But lying, while required,  is still sinful.</em></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Such a position acknowledges that we have moral  conflict (at least in this age). I think this is an improvement as it notes that  as bad as lying may be, it may not be the greatest evil (though lying is a  bigger evil than many acknowledge). This position encourages people to do good  and love their neighbour.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">It fails in that it suggests at times all  options a man may have involve sin. However if we wish to do right, Scripture  suggests we are able to do so (thru God). Further, how much less are we to blame  when others have placed us in a dilemma, rather than our own prior choices.</p>
<h4 style="text-align: justify;">3. Graded Absolutism</h4>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><em>Lying is wrong unless it conflicts with a higher  moral commandment. Obeying the higher moral by lying is not wrong or  sinful.</em></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">This resolves the dilemma or not being able to make a right  choice. It affirms moral conflict, but it claims that the choice to do the  better is good. And not sinful if a greater good is being done. There may be  some support from Jesus&#8217; words to the Pharisees. It discussing tithing garden  herbs Jesus states<br />
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<blockquote style="text-align: justify;"><p>&#8220;But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and every  herb, and neglect justice and the love of God. These you ought to have done,  without neglecting the others.&#8221;</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">While one could claim that tithing  herbs and doing justice are morally equal—Jesus <span style="font-style: italic;">does say</span> not to neglect the former—the context  would suggest that doing justice is a higher moral command. Apologists for  unqualified absolutism could argue Jesus commands they do both, but there is no  conflict between moral obligations set up here, so unqualified absolutism cannot  be proven from the passage. I am merely illustrating that moral commands are  graded.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">It is important to note that this is not arguing that the end  justifies the means. Yes, the end is considered, but for the sake of doing good,  not for preferred result. Doing good may have unpleasant  consequences.</p>
<h4 style="text-align: justify;">4. Libertarian Absolutism</h4>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><em>Lying is wrong if one is <span style="font-style: italic;">voluntarily</span> giving information. One need not  tell the truth if one is being compelled to divulge information. I am  responsible for my actions, not yours</em>.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">This has the advantage over  graded absolutism in that it recognises that voluntary information and compelled  information are categorically different. It is somewhat analogous to saying that  predatory killing is sinful but self-defensive killing is  not.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Interestingly Jesus&#8217; words may shed some light on our understanding  here.</p>
<blockquote style="text-align: justify;"><p>After this Jesus went about in Galilee. He would not go about in  Judea, because the Jews were seeking to kill him. Now the Jews’ Feast of Booths  was at hand. So his brothers said to him, &#8220;Leave here and go to Judea, that your  disciples also may see the works you are doing. For no one works in secret if he  seeks to be known openly. If you do these things, show yourself to the world.&#8221;  For not even his brothers believed in him. Jesus said to them, &#8220;My time has not  yet come, but your time is always here. The world cannot hate you, but it hates  me because I testify about it that its works are evil. You go up to the feast.  <span style="font-style: italic;">I am not going up to this feast</span>, for my  time has not yet fully come.&#8221; After saying this, he remained in  Galilee.</p>
<p>But after his brothers had gone up to the feast, then he also  went up, not publicly but in private. The Jews were looking for him at the  feast, and saying, &#8220;Where is he?&#8221; And there was much muttering about him among  the people. While some said, &#8220;He is a good man,&#8221; others said, &#8220;No, he is leading  the people astray.&#8221; Yet for fear of the Jews no one spoke openly of  him.</p>
<p>About the middle of the feast Jesus went up into the temple and  began teaching. (John 7, emphasis added)</p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Jesus said he wasn&#8217;t going  but then he did. This implies that Jesus&#8217; answer was not true. In fact some  manuscripts say, &#8220;I am not <span style="font-style: italic;">yet</span> going up  to this feast.&#8221; Which would seem to make Jesus&#8217; answer more honest. Looking at  the passage it is clear Jesus wished to go without others initially knowing he  was there. He is asked if he is going, however Jesus does not wish to tell this  person. Being evasive may be construed as a yes. Jesus says that he is <span style="font-style: italic;">not</span> going to this feast. Within the  libertarian absolutism view a request is made of Jesus to divulge information he  does not wish to give and he is at liberty to answer in a way that does not  divulge same information.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">This position is distinct from graded  absolutism in that one is not weighing up morality in conflict. The distinction  is in will for informing.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Although one could think nothing one hears in  conversation is reliable, the solution is listen to what people wish to tell  you.</p>
<h4 style="text-align: justify;">5. Authoritative Absolutism</h4>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Non aggressive version</p>
<ul style="text-align: justify;">
<li><em>Lying is wrong in non-aggressive situations. Self-defence against an  aggressor allows for lying. Authorities are owed the  truth.</em></li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Libertarian version</p>
<ul style="text-align: justify;">
<li><em>One need not tell the truth if one is being compelled to divulge  information unless being compelled by a legitimate authority. </em></li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Authoritative absolutism states the voluntary information must be  true as per libertarian absolutism, or that all information must be true unless  facing an aggressor. It states that, in general, compelled information does not  need to be true though there can be variation on what is meant by  compulsion.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">But this position does allow an <span style="font-style: italic;">appropriate</span> authority to force information  (whereas strict libertarian absolutism would not). A person following  libertarian absolutism would allow one to lie in court if he did not wish to  divulge the truth. Non-aggressive absolutism would mean that it is eumoral  (morally good) to tell the truth in legitimate courts and immoral to withhold  it. Note the caveat: obeying a lesser authority is not required if that means  disobeying a higher one. Obeying a policeman, a ruler, or a court is necessary  even unjust ones, or in unpleasant circumstances; unless doing so compromises a  higher earthly ruler or God.</p>
<h4 style="text-align: justify;">Conclusion</h4>
<p style="text-align: justify;">People may argue for the legitimacy of any of these options  within Christian theology. Unless one recognises that the concept of lying may  include more than one category, graded absolutism is as far as one can advance  and this seems to be the best approach. However the knowledge of a permissible  sub-categorisation based on the distinction between voluntary and involuntary  knowledge sharing allows for more nuanced views.</p>
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<p>There are a range of Christian  theories on the moral acceptability of lying.</p>
<p>The issues around lying  seem difficult to fully categorise in English. The problem is a lack of simple  words to express subtle differences in meaning. To illustrate this note that the  concept of lying can be considered analogous to killing. With killing we have  sub-terms such as murder, manslaughter, and capital punishment. We also  recognise killing in a variety of situations such as warfare and self-defence.  The debate about the morality of types of killing is more transparent because we  agree on meaning, even if we disagree or the moral acceptability of  them.</p>
<p>Whereas &#8220;lying&#8221; merely means distorting the truth irrespective of  the circumstances. There are terms such as deception, falsification,  untruthfulness, but these are basically synonymous. There are situational terms  though, such as perjury.</p>
<p>So is falsehood a single conceptual category? I  have long thought it meaningful that the 9th commandment is not, &#8220;You shall not  lie,&#8221; but rather, &#8220;You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.&#8221; I  have previously <a title="blocked::http://bethyada.blogspot.com/2007/05/liar-liar.html" href="http://bethyada.blogspot.com/2007/05/liar-liar.html" target="_blank">distinguished between reality and what one perceives as  reality</a> stating that affirming a false belief is not lying. I have also <a title="blocked::http://bethyada.blogspot.com/2007/10/does-one-need-always-tell-truth.html" href="http://bethyada.blogspot.com/2007/10/does-one-need-always-tell-truth.html" target="_blank">made the distinction between voluntary and forced disclosure of  information</a> which I wish to expand on here.</p>
<p>The moral debate is that  either:</p>
<ul>
<li>lying (or specific types or lying) is objectively wrong, that is, various  forms of absolutism; or </li>
<li>lying is not intrinsically wrong (for all people), (though it may be  preferable to avoid in certain situations for other reasons), that is, forms of  subjectivism. </li>
</ul>
<p>Christianity claims that morality has its source in the  moral law giver, thus it views the morality of truth telling as objective: the  same rules for all people at all times. Here are particular forms of such  absolutism.</p>
<h4>1. Unqualified Absolutism</h4>
<p><em>Lying is always wrong. People should  never lie ever. No matter what the situation or consequences.</em></p>
<p>Doug  Beaumont explains such unqualified absolutism.</p>
<blockquote><p>Unqualified Absolutism is based on the idea that most moral actions  are intrinsically right or wrong, and because sin is always avoidable there can  be no actual moral conflict. Given a choice between telling the truth or lying  to avoid a murder, for example, one must choose telling the truth for in that  instance it is not the one speaking, but the murderer who is sinning. In that  case it is better to permit sin than to commit it. This view states that moral  &#8220;oughts&#8221; are viable regardless of their consequences, for any moral philosophy  that has exceptions results in relativism. Moral law is based on God&#8217;s  unchanging nature, therefore moral law itself is unchanging. Logically, if an  act is intrinsically evil, it cannot become good because of a changing  situation. Finally, God can always provide a third alternative to sinful  actions.</p>
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<p>This is how many people view lying. It is a somewhat  reasonable but it lacks depth. Exceptions to rules don&#8217;t intrinsically mean  relativism. True, exceptions can be special pleading or hypocrisy, but they may  be legitimate (eg. age based rules). And as I note below, unqualified absolutism  may conflate intrinsically different actions.</p>
<h4>2. Conflicting absolutism</h4>
<p><em>Lying is wrong, but it needs to be  considered within the situation. If lying conflicts with another moral  commandment then one must do obey the higher moral. But lying, while required,  is still sinful.</em></p>
<p>Such a position acknowledges that we have moral  conflict (at least in this age). I think this is an improvement as it notes that  as bad as lying may be, it may not be the greatest evil (though lying is a  bigger evil than many acknowledge). This position encourages people to do good  and love their neighbour.</p>
<p>It fails in that it suggests at times all  options a man may have involve sin. However if we wish to do right, Scripture  suggests we are able to do so (thru God). Further, how much less are we to blame  when others have placed us in a dilemma, rather than our own prior choices.</p>
<h4>3. Graded absolutism</h4>
<p><em>Lying is wrong unless it conflicts with a higher  moral commandment. Obeying the higher moral by lying is not wrong or  sinful.</em></p>
<p>This resolves the dilemma or not being able to make a right  choice. It affirms moral conflict, but it claims that the choice to do the  better is good. And not sinful if a greater good is being done. There may be  some support from Jesus&#8217; words to the Pharisees. It discussing tithing garden  herbs Jesus states</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and every  herb, and neglect justice and the love of God. These you ought to have done,  without neglecting the others.&#8221;</p>
</blockquote>
<p>While one could claim that tithing  herbs and doing justice are morally equal—Jesus <span style="font-style: italic;">does say</span> not to neglect the former—the context  would suggest that doing justice is a higher moral command. Apologists for  unqualified absolutism could argue Jesus commands they do both, but there is no  conflict between moral obligations set up here, so unqualified absolutism cannot  be proven from the passage. I am merely illustrating that moral commands are  graded.</p>
<p>It is important to note that this is not arguing that the end  justifies the means. Yes, the end is considered, but for the sake of doing good,  not for preferred result. Doing good may have unpleasant  consequences.</p>
<h4>4. Libertarian absolutism</h4>
<p><em>Lying is wrong if one is <span style="font-style: italic;">voluntarily</span> giving information. One need not  tell the truth if one is being compelled to divulge information. I am  responsible for my actions, not yours</em>.</p>
<p>This has the advantage over  graded absolutism in that it recognises that voluntary information and compelled  information are categorically different. It is somewhat analogous to saying that  predatory killing is sinful but self-defensive killing is  not.</p>
<p>Interestingly Jesus&#8217; words may shed some light on our understanding  here.</p>
<blockquote><p>After this Jesus went about in Galilee. He would not go about in  Judea, because the Jews were seeking to kill him. Now the Jews’ Feast of Booths  was at hand. So his brothers said to him, &#8220;Leave here and go to Judea, that your  disciples also may see the works you are doing. For no one works in secret if he  seeks to be known openly. If you do these things, show yourself to the world.&#8221;  For not even his brothers believed in him. Jesus said to them, &#8220;My time has not  yet come, but your time is always here. The world cannot hate you, but it hates  me because I testify about it that its works are evil. You go up to the feast.  <span style="font-style: italic;">I am not going up to this feast</span>, for my  time has not yet fully come.&#8221; After saying this, he remained in  Galilee.</p>
<p>But after his brothers had gone up to the feast, then he also  went up, not publicly but in private. The Jews were looking for him at the  feast, and saying, &#8220;Where is he?&#8221; And there was much muttering about him among  the people. While some said, &#8220;He is a good man,&#8221; others said, &#8220;No, he is leading  the people astray.&#8221; Yet for fear of the Jews no one spoke openly of  him.</p>
<p>About the middle of the feast Jesus went up into the temple and  began teaching. (John 7, emphasis added)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Jesus said he wasn&#8217;t going  but then he did. This implies that Jesus&#8217; answer was not true. In fact some  manuscripts say, &#8220;I am not <span style="font-style: italic;">yet</span> going up  to this feast.&#8221; Which would seem to make Jesus&#8217; answer more honest. Looking at  the passage it is clear Jesus wished to go without others initially knowing he  was there. He is asked if he is going, however Jesus does not wish to tell this  person. Being evasive may be construed as a yes. Jesus says that he is <span style="font-style: italic;">not</span> going to this feast. Within the  libertarian absolutism view a request is made of Jesus to divulge information he  does not wish to give and he is at liberty to answer in a way that does not  divulge same information.</p>
<p>This position is distinct from graded  absolutism in that one is not weighing up morality in conflict. The distinction  is in will for informing.</p>
<p>Although one could think nothing one hears in  conversation is reliable, the solution is listen to what people wish to tell  you.</p>
<h4>5. Authoritative absolutism</h4>
<p>Non aggressive version</p>
<ul>
<li><em>Lying is wrong in non-aggressive situations. Self-defence against an  aggressor allows for lying. Authorities are owed the  truth.</em></li>
</ul>
<p>Libertarian version</p>
<ul>
<li><em>One need not tell the truth if one is being compelled to divulge  information unless being compelled by a legitimate authority. </em></li>
</ul>
<p>Authoritative absolutism states the voluntary information must be  true as per libertarian absolutism, or that all information must be true unless  facing an aggressor. It states that, in general, compelled information does not  need to be true though there can be variation on what is meant by  compulsion.</p>
<p>But this position does allow an <span style="font-style: italic;">appropriate</span> authority to force information  (whereas strict libertarian absolutism would not). A person following  libertarian absolutism would allow one to lie in court if he did not wish to  divulge the truth. Non-aggressive absolutism would mean that it is eumoral  (morally good) to tell the truth in legitimate courts and immoral to withhold  it. Note the caveat: obeying a lesser authority is not required if that means  disobeying a higher one. Obeying a policeman, a ruler, or a court is necessary  even unjust ones, or in unpleasant circumstances; unless doing so compromises a  higher earthly ruler or God.</p>
<h4>Conclusion</h4>
<p>People may argue for the legitimacy of any of these options  within Christian theology. Unless one recognises that the concept of lying may  include more than one category, graded absolutism is as far as one can advance  and this seems to be the best approach. However the knowledge of a permissible  sub-categorisation based on the distinction between voluntary and involuntary  knowledge sharing allows for more nuanced views.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;"><em>As it is still <a href="http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/10/snowed.html">open mic (blog?!) week(s)</a> here are MandM; here is another guest post from <a href="http://iamjonnyking.com/">Jonny King</a> who, if you have not visited his blog before, you&#8217;ll find has a rather distinctive style; he threatened to burn effigies of our blog if we didn&#8217;t publish him LOL!<br />
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<p><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>Having a Beer… for the Glory of God!</strong></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">What?… I did put it in the singular… “a beer,”… lest we also forget <a href="http://biblia.com/bible/esv/1%20Cor.%2010.31">1 Cor. 10:31</a>, unless you are planning other excursions for the liquid refreshment?!</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">No, I don’t believe that this will be a candidate for the next issue in the Tui billboards dotting themselves over various parts of the Islands of NZ [for all you unfortunate individuals who are not so domiciled, these are somewhat tongue-in-cheek, culturally relevant statements, attached to the phrase "Yeah Right."].</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">… and No, I haven’t had one, let alone a few, quiet ones, before I sat my repository of blogging thoughts down before my little friend, the computer… I can talk to it for days and it will listen to every word, unlike some other people I know… Yes, I am referring to my fixer.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I am Jonny King is not a big fan of the amber ale as a drink of choice.  Maybe, it is an acquired taste, but surely such shows that I have probably not inculcated myself to such a reality.  Or, maybe, I need to pay for the privilege.  Therefore, whatever you think of my liquidity, I am not pushing my barrow in the pursuit of guilt-free cravings.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I, in fact, prefer something even darker…<span id="more-1759"></span> Now, there’s no need to be racial I am Jonny King, but what grabs me and torments my taste buds is not some sort of hedonistic home-brew!  Unfortunately, to burst the burgeoning bubble, I must affirm that Pepsi is my thirst quencher.  Yes, the sugary delights of caffeinated-to-carbonated Kool-aid… what more could a white boy want?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Nevertheless, the present fomenting could surely set the Tea-totallar straight to the pantry for another lump or three from the sugar refinery.  I realise that such a header could be bringing more heat than light to one’s present disposition, but let me invoke some authorial imagery and thump the pulpit, with the exclamation that I am indeed thinking in this pursuit… well, at least I think I am!</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Let me digress a little and lead you along a little more, O naive follower, and let you listen a little, as you read out loud to all your workmates… slacker!</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I am the son of an individual [no way, fancy that, such explains everything] who was a Pastor for the majority of my years [until recently] in the Salavation [no typo] Army, where drinking anything alcoholic was about as popular as a smacking parent at one of “surely we can now Sue” Bradfords greeny-get-togethers, where such would be cause to bring in the sliding scale to question one’s spirituality.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">A woman in close relative proximity to Jonny King am I was so keenly committed to keeping her palate pure on one occasion many years back, when she found out that a cake she was presently enjoying had ingredients of the liquor variety, [although, as any old pro will tell you, such would have had its goose cooked... out], she responded to such information by disposing of the aforementioned contraband… perish the thought.  We have attempted to begin redemptive remedial action, by using such beverages in subsequent cook-offs.  I can confirm, she is making progress!</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Therefore, the obscure point that I was covertly moving toward is this.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I understand the culture of abstinence, and I have no problem with an individuals personal pursuit, per see.  As a recovering Salvo [this is humour... giggle people], I am also aware of the damage that excessive and out of control amounts of “drink” can have on an individual, familial, and societal level, with such a reality, enough to cause the conscientious thinker to wonder if a certain coloured drink that goes through a given process is really worth the effort!</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I am also aware that what I am trying to affirm can be misconstrued… after all, who would prostitute themselves to the point of postulating such prose… for the love of alliterated peas [it's that Green party again]!</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">However, I am wanting to do something quite novel in this area, do my best to think God’s thoughts after Him.  I know, in an area like this, it may seem to lead to an abolition of hope, but such a situation, “I object,” only affirms our religious condition, which is this… As each subsequent era of rabbinic school would subsequently build upon [e.g. Sophrim, Tana'im], the wanting-to-be-orthodox Jew who built a somewhat impressive fence [from a voluminous perspective] around the law of Moses, with the Oral Law [that they will claim was given by God to Moishe at Sinai], which in kind, we Christians have and are also presently doing a pretty good job ourselves in erecting our own fence around the law of Christ with the addition of various restrictions that don’t meet our cultural standards, with such a rambling reminiscent of such reality!</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Maybe you are presuppositionally presupposing that drinking alcohol is fodder for the wrath of any number of authorial figures, but let me state what is generally accepted by many… the consumption of alcohol per see is not sinful… or should I say unbiblical… in the right and God-honouring quantities one should note.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In fact, while I like the good graces of grape juice [with the bubbles I will have you know], “red” preferably, which I do affirm tastes rather good on a good occasion, it does not seem to have the desired effect on gladdening the heart [<a href="http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Psalm%20104.15">Psalm 104:15</a>], which makes sense as wine, if my fading memory serves me correctly, is a biblical symbol for “joy”… Smile Sinner!  [Hold the Phones, Stop the Pressing Sinner... I have just looked at my ESV Study Bible Notes {Every Bible Study must have the Study Bible contributor who is more than ready to share their notes} which says in connection with <a href="http://biblia.com/bible/esv/John%202.3">John 2:3</a> that <em>an OT background that viewed wine {but never drunkenness} as a sign of joy and God's blessing {<a href="http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Psalm%20104.15">Psalm 104:15</a>; <a href="http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Prov.%203.10">Prov. 3:10</a>; cf. <a href="http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Matt.%2026.29">Matt. 26:29</a>}</em>... so there you go].</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">When Jesus turned water into [<a href="http://biblia.com/bible/esv/John%202.1-12">John 2:1-12</a>]… well, what did He turn it into?… Yes, the English text says wine, but who can trust scholars who are reading and interpreting the original languages, who have also committed themselves to this pursuit?  After all, everyone knows that it is the KJV that is the inspired version!  Such tomfoolery from I am Jonny King could lead one to perceive that I have an intoxication of the most absurd kind.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Nevertheless, there are those who will tell you that it was not wine, but grape juice… trust them. Inconveniently, there are two words in both the Hebrew and Greek that differentiate between the two.  Yes, I am also aware that such “wining” was probably more watered down, but when we are exhorted not to be drunk with… wine, but to be filled with the Spirit [<a href="http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Eph.%205.18">Eph. 5:18</a>], the presupposition should be clear for all to taste!… and when Timothy was encouraged to have a little wine for his stomach [<a href="http://biblia.com/bible/esv/1%20Tim.%205.23">1 Tim. 5:23</a>], I am thinking it was a little more than “Just Juice!”</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I am also aware that gluttony is a sin, and it is not phat to be… well, you get the burgeoning idea.  However, I am not thinking it spiritually prudent to abstain from calorising my interiors, and play make me a super model.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Such is often the case with much philosophic reflecting by Christians, as their thinking is often framed in the context of worst case scenarios where such individuals decide to get drunk with wine, instead of being filled with the Spirit [<a href="http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Eph.%205.18">Eph. 5:18</a> again, which is clearly wrong].  However, such is no more reason to refrain from alcohol as an absolute rule, then it would be to refuse to eat food because individuals can not be “Spirit-filled” in such an area as filling their face, and there are too numerous examples in our culture… church, that is, where people are completing church growth in all the wrong areas… taking the body analogy totally out of context!</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Such a situation also fails to integrate the Spirit’s job of maturing the child of God in all areas of life [<a href="http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Phil.%201.6">Phil. 1:6</a>], which means that such a reality gets circumvented when personal conviction gets substituted for legalism that is not a sign of maturity, but the very antithesis of it!</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Lest I become a hoarse… Nay… I am not trying to be overtly flippant or culturally relevant at the expense of being biblically concise, in what I am thinking, or in what I will propose… but merely biblical in theory and so in practice, which is why, even though drinking alcoholic beverages is not biblically negated directly out of hand, there is the example of the weaker, more susceptible follower of Christ who might be lead down out of the Garden by the pathway of your decision, and if such could be the case, your love for the individual Christologically compels one to set aside our freedom in this pursuit for their Godly good [<a href="http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Romans%2014.1-23">Romans 14:1-23</a>], as love for God as exercised through your fellow follower Donald Trumps such freedoms.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Remember what they said about Jesus [<a href="http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Luke%207.34">Luke 7:34</a>]… whom did He eat and drink with?  Yet, read verse <a href="http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Luke%207.35">Luke 7:35</a>!  Now while one could claim that all that affirms is that Jesus spent time in those places in the mission, let me also say, as an side, Christians in removing themselves from the culture that Beer often represents, have also decided that such places are not a-ok for the believer, unless it is asking for cash for clunkers [now who could that be?]!</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Let us spend a few more moments together, as what was formally was foundational to what will follow, as it is my conviction that the Christian exodus from the culture of “drink” is both harmful for our Gospel, and signals a detour for the message that we need to desperately communicate!</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The situations where the culture of “drink” will impact on the believer are numerous, from work, to play [rugby], to the pub, our culture, and cultures worldwide, are “intoxicated” with its impact.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">How do we Christians respond in such contexts and on such occasions?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">More than likely, many of us will view such an as opportunity to return to our bunker and ride out the storm, which only affirms that we fail to follow the example of Christ, and fail to really think through our theory to practice.  Such does not mean that every opportunity that arises in such a context is wisdom from above for the believer, but it does affirm that on too numerous occasions we have not redeemed such an opportunity for the glory of God, by putting ourselves in the midst of the culture, showing how Christ makes a difference in that time and in that place.  We have, in effect, thrown our hands in the air and allowed a significant opportunity and cultural group to be devoid of a gospel witness, at a time when they may be most open to our forthcoming.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The result being that nowadays, Christians struggle to connect with a society that views alcohol as a significant part of relaxing and enjoying times of social and un-social activity.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Surely there is a better way!</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Yes, there will be examples where such contexts are not appropriate because of age and/or maturity, but if such is not the case, how has one responded when the occasion has arisen?  After all, I am not suggesting you to become a Keg for Christ!</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">These are the places we need to be… a city on a hill, showing and affirming that such is only a drink to quench a thirst, not a culture to fit one’s life into, not a drug to control ones life, and like Jesus, we are sent!</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Are we waiting for them to come?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Not only have we removed our witness from such contexts, in doing so, we have sent a confusing message of the Gospel to a world that is ignorant at the best of times! The general cultural perception is that Christians do not drink alcohol, and while I am not encouraging you the reader to do anything stupid in this area [as getting drunk is WRONG, and obeying the laws of the land is mandatory minor], I do believe that in removing ourselves from the culture that this past-time has in NZ, we have done damage to the witness of the Gospel that could be so potent in such contexts, and consequently, we have unintentionally put a fence around the Gospel that has sent a confusing message that salvation is about our works, not His work.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">God, in Christ, has called us to be in the World, but not controlled by this world system.  In speaking out against excessive drinking [which is a good], I am wondering-thinking if we have unintentionally, by our practice [in removing ourselves, and so not speaking from the group with more credibility, which leads to understanding], encouraged the perception that drinking alcohol is one of the church-named “sins’ that one can not complete to be accepted into the group, thereby saying that those who practice such things are unacceptable, which means we have in-effect, presented to the public a confusing and inconsistent Gospel message [Read the words of Martyn Lloyd-Jones in this <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><a href="http://iamjonnyking.com/2quote-the-doctor-martin-lloyd-jones/" target="_blank">post</a></span>].</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Such can be illuminated by the following question, If there is not something wrong in such contexts [as a general rule], why is it so devoid of a Gospel witness?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Such a reality clouds the pure unadulterated Gospel message in an area where there is a good deal of freedom in Christ, according to the Words of the living God. The result is that Christians are perceived to be rules keeper, and while this is true from our perspective, as we are saved to good works, not by good works, the general Publican does not grasp such distinctions, and views Christians as those who don’t do this and don’t do that [which is true, but not as they perceive], instead of like-sinners saved by the love and grace of God, through the life, death, and resurrection of the Son of Man [<a href="http://biblia.com/bible/esv/I%20Cor.%2015.3-4">I Cor. 15:3-4</a>]… Now it is also true that many will not grasp such reality as the outworking of <a href="http://biblia.com/bible/esv/1%20Cor.%201.21">1 Cor. 1:21</a> affirms, but this is no excuse for our adding to their ignorance.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I am becoming more convinced that we need to re-balance the scales on such a reality, and re-enter the domains of the drinker [not to ask for donations... trust me, they don't need it], showing to a lost world that Christians can drink [even if it will be Pepsi], responsibly and with full reality, as we really are the “lucky ones,” who have been given the cake and can eat it, in the power of the Holy Spirit, as we are a true HSV [Holy Spirit Vehicle] .</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">We are the ones, in the power of the Holy Spirit, who can speak to those, in their cultural context, on their terms, about the One whose love leading to joy lasts longer than a one night crawl, thereby removing the beer glasses from their vision, so that they see the Gospel for all that it is in its beauty, simplicity and grace that will truly radicalize ones existence.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Therefore, dear reader, think through what I am Jonny King is saying… Chew and Spit!… If such is not the biblical witness of the Spirit, through faith, you must act accordingly [<a href="http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Rom.%2014.23">Rom. 14:23</a>].</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">However, for the love of the lost, I think it is at least time that we thought better how to connect with a culture that feels comfortable with a beer in hand, that feels free in the local, and that wants to have a quiet one in “their” quiet time, as we should be wanting to passionately pursue people to passionately pursue Christ.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">If our past will be our future, we will have some “dry” days in our spiritual future in answering such a challenge!</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">If one is willing to follow Christ to the ends of the earth, around the corner is really not a world away that many in our churches perceive that it is!</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">It is time to engage!</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Until Next Time</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I am Jonny King (guest posting on MandM)</p>
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		<title>Sunday Study: The Bible and Rape &#8211; A Response to Michael Martin</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">A little while ago I wrote a post criticising Michael Martin’s contention that the Bible commands a rape victim to marry her rapist, <a title="Permanent Link to Sunday Study: Does the Bible Teach that a Rape Victim has to Marry her Rapist?" href="../../../../../2009/07/sunday-study-does-the-bible-teach-that-a-rape-victim-has-to-marry-her-rapist.html">Does the Bible Teach that a Rape Victim has to Marry her Rapist?</a> To summarise briefly, Martin cited Deuteronomy 22:28-29 and interpreted it as,</p>
<blockquote style="text-align: justify;"><p>Here the victim of rape is as treated the property of the father. Since the rapist has despoiled the father&#8217;s property he must pay a bridal fee. The woman apparently has no say in the matter and is forced to marry the person who raped her. Notice also if they are not discovered, no negative judgment is forthcoming. The implicit message seems to be that if you rape an unbetrothed virgin, be sure not to get caught.<a href="#_ftn1">[1]</a></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">In the post I noted that the word translated rape is <em>tapas</em> which simply means “to grab” or “hold;” the term itself is neutral as to whether this involves force. It can be used in a context where it is clear that force is involved but it also can be used in a context where no force is involved. All the text states then is that a virgin is grabbed by a man. I went on to argue that the context provided reasons for thinking that what was envisaged was actually a seduction.<strong></strong></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In discussing this I noted that a few verses prior to this one the text does envisage a rape. In the immediately preceding passage in Deuteronomy 22:23-27, the word <em>chazak </em>is used instead of <em>tapas </em>in reference to a bethrothed woman who screamed for help when a man attempted to have sex with her<em>; chazak</em> suggests a violent seizure.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In regards to this text, Martin contends that “when rape is condemned in the Old Testament the woman&#8217;s rights and her psychological welfare are ignored.”<a href="#_ftn2">[2]</a> Martin argues</p>
<blockquote style="text-align: justify;"><p>In the case of the rape of a betrothed virgin in a city, the Bible says that both the rapist and victim should be stoned to death: the rapist because he violated his neighbor&#8217;s wife and the victim because she did not cry for help (Deut. 22: 23-25). Again the assumption is that the rapist despoiled the property of another man and so must pay with his life. Concern for the welfare of the victim does not seem to matter. Moreover, it is assumed that in all cases that a rape victim could cry for help and if she did, she would be heard and rescued. Both of these assumptions are very dubious and sensitive to the contextual aspects of rape.</p>
<p>On the other hand, according to the Bible, the situation is completely different if the rape occurs in &#8220;open country.&#8221; Here the rapist should be killed, not the victim. The reason given is that if a woman cried for help in open country, she would not be heard. Consequently, she could not be blamed for allowing the rape to occur. No mention is made about the psychological harm to victim. No condemnation is made of a rapist in open country, let alone in a city, who does not get caught.<a href="#_ftn3">[3]</a></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">There are several points packed in here. First Martin contends that these passages teach that rape is an offence against a man’s property and do not condemn it out of concern for the woman’s welfare. Second, Martin suggests that the text does not condemn rapists who do not get caught. Third and perhaps most significantly, Martin suggests that the passage makes “dubious” assumptions about rape; it assumes, for example, “<em>that in all cases</em> that a rape victim could cry for help and if she did, she would be heard and rescued.” [<em>Emphasis added</em>] Martin states that this is something that fails to be sensitive to contextual factors of rape.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">This last point in particular is often emphasised by sceptics. To take a common example, suppose a rapist puts a knife to a woman’s throat and commands her not to scream. If this happens in the city she will not cry out and the passage, so the sceptics allege, will hold the woman unjustly responsible for her own rape.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I think each of these points are mistaken.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Turning to the first point,<em> </em>Martin contends that the passage teaches that rape is merely a property offence against the husband and is not concerned with the welfare of the woman. To asses the claim it is worth looking at the passage he refers to,</p>
<blockquote style="text-align: justify;"><p>If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her,24  you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death&#8211;the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man&#8217;s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.25  But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die.26  Do nothing to the girl; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders his neighbour, for the man found the girl out in the country, and though the betrothed girl screamed, there was no one to rescue her. (Deuteronomy 22:24-27 NIV)</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">Two points need to be noted here. First, the text states that people who rape should be executed (I have argued that capital sanctions like this were not always intended to be taken literally in <a title="Permanent Link to Capital Punishment in the Old Testament: 1" href="../../../../../2009/01/capital-punishment-in-the-old-testament-1.html">Capital Punishment in the Old Testament</a>). Martin suggests that the fact that adultery is a capital crime means that this is merely a property offence. He states the “assumption is that the rapist despoiled the property of another man and so must pay with this life.” Actually the converse is true; Christopher Wright notes this point,</p>
<blockquote style="text-align: justify;"><p>The fact that the legal penalty for the wife who commits adultery is execution weighs strongly against the idea that wives in OT Israel are legally no more than the property of their husbands. If adultery is merely an offence against another man’s “property” why destroy the property as well as punishing the guilty man? Furthermore, it would be quite exceptional, in as much as no other property offence in the OT is punishable by death.[4]</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">The second point to note is that Martin’s contention seems to be explicitly contradicted by the text in v 26. In this passage it states that rape is, “This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders his neighbour.” The text compares rape to a violent assault, a murder, not theft.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Martin’s second point fares no better. Martin seems to argue that the text ignores the “woman’s rights and her psychological welfare” because “no condemnation is made of a rapist in open country, let alone in a city, who does not get caught.” It is hard, however, to see the force of this; all legal codes will only punish people who commit crimes once they are caught. Current New Zealand law on rape, for example, does not punish or condemn people who are not caught, tried and proven guilty of rape. No one thinks that this practice of observing due process is contrary to the rights of rape victims and correctly so, the fact that a woman is the victim of a heinous crime does not automatically cancel out the due process rights of anyone accused of a crime. The same is true here, the law punishes only those caught; if a person has not been caught committing a crime then the state does not know who committed the crime. To call the failure to punish the perpetrator of an unsolved crime a violation of a woman’s rights is hard to take seriously.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Moreover even if one were to take this line of argument seriously, it proves too much. In Deuteronomy, for example, The Torah refers to a situation where a man has been murdered and the authorities, after careful investigation, cannot determine who committed the crime. The result is that the unknown perpetrator is not punished. Are we to infer from this that The Torah victimises men and treats them as property and expresses a sexist anti-male sentiment?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">This brings us to the final and perhaps most significant point. Martin notes that the law assumes “that in all cases that a rape victim could cry for help and if she did, she would be heard and rescued. Both of these assumptions are very dubious and sensitive to the contextual aspects of rape.” A rhetorical question will more vividly express this point; what if a women could not cry out, what if the rapist in a city put a knife to a woman’s throat and ordered her not to scream, what if a woman was set upon suddenly and was unable to scream? In these situations the rape occurs in a city and the woman does not scream for help. The above law then seems to teach that she is should be treated as guilty of a serious crime. If this is the case then surely this is insensitive to the rape victim? To have a law that condemns a woman in this situation is to have a law that ignores the specifics of the situation; it, in Martin’s words, ignores the “contextual aspects of rape.”</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I am inclined to agree that <em>if </em>the law condemned a woman in these kinds of contexts it would indeed be unjust. The question needs to be asked, however, is does it? Is it plausible to assume that the law is intended to be applied in such a rigid, a-contextual, fashion?  I think the answer is no.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Deuteronomy is an Ancient Near Eastern Legal text; it therefore is part of a literary genre from that period of time. We are aware of other texts from the same genre such as the ancient Hittite Laws, Middle Assyrian Laws and Code of Hammurabi, and its important to note that legal codes written in this Genre differ significantly from modern legal codes.  Hiller notes,</p>
<blockquote style="text-align: justify;"><p>[T]here is no evidence that any collection of Near Eastern laws functioned as a written code that was applied by a strict method of exegesis to individual cases. As far as we can tell, these bodies of laws served educational purposes and gave expression to what was regarded as just in typical cases, but they left considerable latitude to local courts for determining the right in individual suits. They aided local courts without controlling them.<a href="#_ftn5">[5]</a></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">The same point is made by Raymond Westbrook in his comparative study of Ancient Near Eastern Legal Codes. He notes that such laws “reflect the scribal compilers’ concern for perfect symmetry and delicious irony rather than the pragmatic experience of the law courts.”<a href="#_ftn6">[6]</a> The method used in legal texts was “to set out principles by the use of often extreme examples.” Christopher Wright calls this “paradigmatic law,” which he explains as “the detailing of specific circumstances with the view to giving judges basic principles and precedents on which to evaluate the great variety of individual cases that may come before them.”<a href="#_ftn7">[7]</a></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Once the genre is understood it is not hard to see the flaw in Martin’s argument. Martin assumes that the law is a rigidly literal rule that inflexibly applies to all cases. In fact, the law probably did not function this way nor was it intended to. Instead it functioned as kind of paradigm illustrating a principle. The principle was this; women who have sex with a man are not to be considered adulterers or immoral if they do not consent. If it cannot be established whether a woman consented to a sexual act then she should be presumed innocent. Rape is not adultery, it is rather a serious assault or an attempted murder. At a more general level the case law vividly illustrates the principle that culpability entails consent.</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><a href="#_ftnref1">[1]</a> Michael Martin “<a href="http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/michael_martin/rape.html">Atheism, Christian Theism, and Rape</a>” accessed 27 September 2009.<a href="#_ftnref2"><br />
 [2]</a> Ibid.<a href="#_ftnref3"><br />
 [3]</a> Ibid.<a href="#_ftnref4"><br />
 [4]</a> Christopher Wright <em>International Biblical Commentary: Deuteronomy</em>, (Massachusetts: Hendrickson Publishers, 1996 ) 254.<a href="#_ftnref5"><br />
 [5]</a> Delbert R Hillers Covenant: the History of a Biblical Idea (Baltimore: The John Hopkins Press, 1969).<a href="#_ftnref6"><br />
 [6]</a> Raymond Westbrook “The Character of Ancient Near Eastern Law” in <em>The History of Ancient Near Eastern Law</em> Vol 1 ed Raymond Westbrook (Boston: Brill Academic Publishers, 2003) 74.<a href="#_ftnref7"><br />
 [7]</a> Christopher Wright <em>Deuteronomy</em> 244.</span></p>
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